tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post1173695405421393136..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: LOWER RATES NOT HIGHERDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger182125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-45443156834085680112018-12-16T11:34:39.463-03:302018-12-16T11:34:39.463-03:30The unit at Holyrood that is capable to act as a s...The unit at Holyrood that is capable to act as a sync requires a weeks overhaul to switch from sync to generation, while a start-up in a cold plant could take over a week since the removal of the auxiliary boiler. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-90853225054179544322018-12-16T11:28:04.621-03:302018-12-16T11:28:04.621-03:30I'd just like to throw it out there that these...I'd just like to throw it out there that these new required combustion turbines are quite the monsters themselves, capable of downing 32,000 liters of diesel an hour. The Holyrood CT is 2 years old and has been ran enough to reach its 10 year maintenance overhaul. For a machine intended for back up/emergency generation, which is roughly 20% efficient without a heat recovery unit, is it really the best option? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-88886980641318327942018-12-10T09:30:59.579-03:302018-12-10T09:30:59.579-03:30Bye the way Maurice 183 K is not a bay pay rate fo...Bye the way Maurice 183 K is not a bay pay rate for an 'order-taker'. Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-51701790562767221942018-12-10T00:16:59.215-03:302018-12-10T00:16:59.215-03:30Found and read Russell's piece after my postin...Found and read Russell's piece after my posting. Good to see Russell more on the ball and not trusting Nalcor and their communications. Stan > the straight shooter?<br /> I brought back a little info on GE's situation from Houston,as I also viewed the Inquiry from there,a clipping maybe from the Wall Street Journal,thinking it may cause us headaches, or cold asses, I'll try and summarise GE problems on a post later.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-31103610813104324782018-12-09T23:54:06.205-03:302018-12-09T23:54:06.205-03:30My impression , and expectation,that stability of ...My impression , and expectation,that stability of the power system may be the problem, and if not right can bring down our island power grid for hours: generation at MFs is AC, then convert to DC,and comes to Soldiers Pond as DC, then make it AC again as the existing island grid is AC. <br /> Even connecting 2 separate AC systems must be flawless, as both operate separately being out of phase with each other, and if out of phase, it is essentially a short circuit, and all trips off. So AC systems must first be brought into phase (They are 3 phase systems), and then they are connected and both operate in-phase with each other.<br /> So AC to DC and then back to AC would seem to be more of a problem but obvioosly working in many places. <br />Now add to that the long line and the need to have synchronous condensers connected for voltage support, and this may vary with the connected load. Soldiers Pond has 2 new CDs and 1 generator at Holyrood can operate as a SC, and another that may get this use, but they cannot operate as a generator and SC at the same time.<br /> So I expect the software, the computer system that will monitor and control this is rather complex. This should have been nailed down with simulations, I suggest , before sanction, and not as an issue now. <br /> Add to that: GE has gone rogue much like Nalcor, a 600 billion company several years ago , now worth 70 billion, and many people gone and contract work behind schedule. I fear this problem is bigger than Nalcor lets on, and is delaying and putting our supply at risk this winter, if not the whole Labrador infeed needing considerable debugging during a long commissioning.<br /> Perhaps PENG2 may know more, but to have such issues 6 years after sanction again point to Nalcor"s incompetence in my opinion, and especially Gilbert Bennett lack of Hydro experience. <br />Power reliability was a major concern from my perspective, and Liberty has also stated that, and this is starting to show. Recall months ago power was fed to Soldiers Pond and as if this meant all was fine. They get 45 MW! Same as the small gas turbine at Hardwoods by the overpass.<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-75892156599942062532018-12-09T22:31:26.072-03:302018-12-09T22:31:26.072-03:30I believe a lot of people are not opposed to the i...I believe a lot of people are not opposed to the inquiry as such.I have heard many who complain about the mess that MF is but they believe that at the end of the day nobody is going to be held accountable,thus they consider the inquiry to be a waste of time and money.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-60937047383775185292018-12-09T20:38:45.226-03:302018-12-09T20:38:45.226-03:30Saw this in the telegram www.thetelegram.com/opini...Saw this in the telegram www.thetelegram.com/opinion/columnists/russell-wangersky-a-tale-of-software-and-power-lines-265591<br /><br />"Here’s part of an email from Svenska Kraftnat communications officer Joel Nylin. ( Swedish utility company)<br /><br />“(It) occurs as our problems are similar with yours. GE Grid haven’t been able to deliver the technical solutions in converter stations. All other parts of the project such as the physical elements have been finished according to plan. The four-year delay of the HVDC-link are due to that GE Grid haven’t been able to make the system function in a stable and satisfying way,” Nylin writes.<br /><br />“There isn’t a specific issue delaying the commission but a number of faults and deviations that are being handling in order to get all parts of the functions to work and communicate as intended. For instance, there have been numerous deviations in the control and protections systems.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Are we having problems with the DC link and DC/AC conversion due to problems with General Electric? Do any readers here know?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-45087782872109298392018-12-09T19:22:37.776-03:302018-12-09T19:22:37.776-03:30You need to get to Dwight now. He has procrastinat...You need to get to Dwight now. He has procrastinated on the job. The General Inquiry, which he has used as a foil, has given him evidence of the corruption within. Start stripping Nalcor now. Cut the bleeding. Keep the good managers, and let them get busy to complete the contracts, including commissioning on Muskrat. Most to be let go aren't even on the payroll. 30 day notice. That's more than the call centre people got in Cape Breton, and just before Christmas too. Let the millionaires go.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-68176615088164849102018-12-09T18:47:25.261-03:302018-12-09T18:47:25.261-03:30I wonder of the question of the day tallies are so...I wonder of the question of the day tallies are sometimes faked for propaganda purposes. The wording of the questions might be crafted to get the response they want or just plain sloppy.<br /><br />My take on the inquiry is that regardless of the outcome, it was the only way we could have heard from all these people. It is money well spent. It exposes the pathology for all to see.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-17887696123248052692018-12-09T18:30:08.971-03:302018-12-09T18:30:08.971-03:30Let's see if the brave fearless media would re...Let's see if the brave fearless media would replace the word "inquiry" with "boondoggle" in their question of the day. Do you think the money spent on the muskrat boondoggles has been well spent so far. Let's get a straw vote on that one. But think their straw votes are as useless as they are themselves, as I voted more than a half dozen times before they cut me off. And I am no computer whiz. Imagine if I were. Oh yea, the useless media says average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-33847592915144723872018-12-09T18:03:34.483-03:302018-12-09T18:03:34.483-03:30Agree with you totally. And the bottom line is nal...Agree with you totally. And the bottom line is nalcor and that kind of thinking has to go. People with the same or similar thinking as Winston, PlanetNL, etc.has to prevail. And in the next election, that is the kind of politicians that we must elect. And I don't care if they are green, yellow, red, blue or pocodot. They can't do any worst than the blue and reds. Cheap, reliable power is one of the main corner post to the success of this province. So out with the buggers says Joe blow. And hand muskrat over to the Feds lock stock and barrel, along with their guarantees, and tell them to shove it. Harper had one thing in mind to shaft us, and he did a dam good job of doing it. The defeatist Harper mentality that he held for all of Atlantic Canada. What an attitude for the Prime Minister of this country. Yes, needed to be hung, dried, quartered, and put on public display. MPR's and CETA, my arse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-90949954488350413902018-12-09T17:59:00.171-03:302018-12-09T17:59:00.171-03:30You might say they all have bought the Koch Brothe...You might say they all have bought the Koch Brothers (buy congress and politicians everywhere philosophy). It's about the rich getting a "fair share" of the Natural Resources. Rockefeller, Rothchilds and the Railroad Barons have come home. Danny et al. were just pawns, executing for their masters. When will we get "for the people, by the people?" (Gwyn Dyer was worth listening to on Enright this AM.). He explains well the current global madness.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-83273001306362022922018-12-09T17:10:20.278-03:302018-12-09T17:10:20.278-03:30It is important to note that many of the things be...It is important to note that many of the things being discussed in this thread (overall energy demand reduction, reducing peak power, adding wind generation or small hydro, and using less energy in general via better building techniques) are beneficial for the public. They result in maximizing disposable income (lower utility bills), improving grid stability and minimizing disruption when the grid does go down (buildings stay warm longer). These are things that should be done but no amount of argument will convince this government to implement them because this government's goals are 180 degrees from what is in the public interest. <br /><br />Government (Natural Resources), Nalcor and local special interests (Danny et al.) have different goals. They want the load forecasts to come true. They want us to consume the power from Muskrat Falls. They do not want wind production since it will compete with high cost power. They do not want the public utility board to function properly lest it interfere with their selfish goals.<br /><br />Nalcor is likely providing this direction to ministers who then force it down their respective departments. It seems that Nalcor and the department of Natural Resources are inseparable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-66922372654818948132018-12-09T16:08:27.916-03:302018-12-09T16:08:27.916-03:30“I would like to see more discussion on items 4, 9...“I would like to see more discussion on items 4, 9, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17 , 22” << winston<br /><br />Here are some comments:<br /><br />9. Inefficient electric heat is so huge a component on the grid , that more efficient electric heat or switching to other heat sources has the potential to eliminate thermal generation, reducing winter loads by 45 %.<br />>> We have baseboard and electric hot water tanks everywhere. We could separate some of the 220V circuits to a sub panel and allow the load to be remotely cut to shave peak. This is done in the USA with central air conditioners. We should put a moratorium on new government buildings from using electric resistance exclusively. Unfortunately the opposite is true. Moratorium on heat pumps!<br /><br /><br />12. The sole policy focus would be widespread abatement of electric resistance heating.<br />>> Yet, new government policy is to eliminate oil heating and convert all to baseboard to INCREASE the load.<br /><br />13. The staged policy tool: reconstruct the rates to discourage electric resistance heating; increase rates by 1 cent per kwh per year, to avoid shock rates, and customers would then switch to wood, oil, propane, but many would switch to heatpumps (for new builds) and minisplits (for retrofits), which have 300% efficiency, so 3:1 as compared to baseboard electric heat, and this likely achieve a 45 % reduction on winter grid load.<br />>> Government policy is the opposite. It wishes to use as much electricity as possible, hence baseboard.<br /><br />14. A formal CDM program offering rebates etc for low income residents, a program costing 50 Million a year.<br />>> Government / Nalcor states that it is about carbon emissions. Electricity is green and good (from Muskrat) so use as much as possible. They do not want to offer rebates.<br /><br />16. High energy users pays via the marginal pricing premiums.<br />>> I expect that high volume customers get a sweet deal and that the ratepayer subsidizes them.<br /><br />17. 2/3 of the CDM funding to be used for the residential sector, little or none to be used for appliances, lights or insulation, (as they offer less savings)<br />>> We could encourage propane. It is produced at Come by Chance and would reduce heating load. I would rebate condensing propane boilers and cooking appliances and maybe insist that fireplaces type products and stoves be equipped to work during a power failure.<br /><br />22. Wind generation addition and storage would also reduce the backup capacity and fuel use.<br />>> End the moratorium on alternative generation. Let private companies harness the wind if it makes business sense. We have loads of wind onshore. Biggest problem might be shut downs in high wind conditions. A Tesla battery might be perfect to provide stability as it does in Australia. I believe its battery is operated by a wind farm which uses a portion of the capacity. The rest is for grid regulation.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-72677931145911846242018-12-09T15:53:37.305-03:302018-12-09T15:53:37.305-03:30One must apply reason as to whether this proposal ...One must apply reason as to whether this proposal of PlanetNL is sound, and consider a risk factor. The ICF study done for power companies here notes the huge saving on energy with minisplit technology, being the best of any measure known to reduce energy use on the grid for Nfld. So, the PlanetNL proposal is a confirmation of what is known on energy savings. But does this translate to huge MW demand reduction on the grid, as PlanetNL and I suggest? If depends on what you believe is reasonable, and who you trust.<br /> Were I and PlanetNL suggests a reduction of 390 to 433 MW, ICF has a lower number. A MUCH LOWER NUMBER. THEIR NUMBER FOR MW REDUCTION IS ZERO. So if you believe ICF, who was paid about 300,000 dollars from our ratepayers for this professional opinion, it suggests PlanetNL and I are offbase, and must live on another Planet.<br />How can we be so far apart on expected MW reduction? Here is the answer: Assumptions. Conservative assumptions. Very conservative assumption, by ICF, and who were likely instructed to make this assumption by our power companies: Nfld Hydro and Nfld Power.<br /> Here is the assumptions use to arrive at that conclusion of ZERO reduction: All units, they say, will fail to operate and shut down in adverse weather, or operate so inefficiently that they provide no worthwhile heat. If that happens, then the houses must use conventional back electric resistance heat, and hence ZERO reduction on the grid.<br /> Did not the Telegram or VOCM or CBC report on this assumption by our power companies before? Surely this is common knowledge? And supported by the thousands already in use here?<br /> So, in terms of P factor, 0 to 10 where 10 suggests all units would keep running ok, and 0 suggests all would shut down, a P factor of ZERO has been assigned. They call it a CONSERVATIVE assumption. Not one would stay running, not even my attic mounted unit!<br />And so , by this trick, they can rule out CDM via minisplits. Ruled out completely by experts. Sound familiar? <br /> Is this assumption reasonable, or more of the familiar BS?<br />Even Tom Johnson did not believe this ICF statement to be valid, but it carried the day. It stands unchallenged, and if true, then PlanetNL's proposal is in trouble. Or, ICF must be discredited, as writing what they were instructed to write. And Nfld Power is party to that deceit, that all units can be expected to shut down. <br />Winston Adams<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-19420175153868339732018-12-09T14:00:44.247-03:302018-12-09T14:00:44.247-03:30Is the PlanetNL proposal sound? Of the 23 items in...Is the PlanetNL proposal sound? Of the 23 items in my breakdown, I would like to see more discussion on items 4, 9, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17 , 22. So 8 out of 23, the others seems fine.<br /> To quantify the ability of alternate heat sources to conventional resistance electric type(baseboard, fan/electric and electric duct furnaces) residential heat alone to solve the Holyrood thermal generation problem, here are some figures: During cold snaps Holyrood can operate at about 490MW of the 1750 peak load. <br />On average, Dec to March Holyrood is now operating at about 350 MW. Our domestic residential heat load is about 650MW peak. With houses converted to minisplits at a COP(Coefficient of performance)of 2.5, this suggests 650MW is reduced to 260MW. This is a 390 MW reduction. PlanetNL suggests a COP of 3.0, and I have measures a COP of 2.7 at -17C. However 2.5 is more to be expected due to our high outdoor humidity conditions. A COP of 3.0 suggests a 433MW reduction, which is likely not achievable with residential heat alone from minispits. With those converting to oil, wood or propane, greater than 390 MW reduction could be obtained, suggesting a max achievable reduction of a full 650MW, well exceeding Holyrood production. Ducted heat pumps are less efficient than minisplits, and also more expensive. So, yes, conversions of our heating systems alone could shut down Holyrood. Minisplits alone could do it except for about 10 days per year during severe cold snaps. That 150 MW temporary load too can be addressed by cost effective means, CDM for commercial and institutional, or wind energy, or wood and pellet stove uptake, and small hydro if needed.<br /> So the concept as PlanetNL says was staring them in the face, and practised through North America and the world for decades. Nova Soctia got into this full swing in 2008, 4 years before MFs sanction. Newfoundland's high electric load presented a simple and in your face solution.<br /> At those meeting in NS that Bown attended, but was kept outside, did anyone from NS whisper into his ear about Conservation and Efficiency for NL, and how well it was working for them, and their Plan to lop some 500MW off their load?<br /> Can't recall, Bown would say. No memory of that ever happening. What of our Efficiency and Conservation Dept, what did they propose to Nalcor or to Natural Resources and to Bown? Can't remember that either Bown would say.<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-27248456444942321312018-12-09T10:39:12.370-03:302018-12-09T10:39:12.370-03:30In essence, the Inquiry has done its job. Its time...In essence, the Inquiry has done its job. Its time to fix the problem. Fire the non performing executives at Nalcor, scale back work on the non-performing asset. Lean out the over priced and inconsequential staffing. Restore order in the Energy plan. Make a beneficial deal with the new QC premier. The Civil War has ended, Atlanta has fallen. Time for reconstruction.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-35696834496889266682018-12-09T10:32:32.465-03:302018-12-09T10:32:32.465-03:30Why is this fellow Marshall still on the payroll? ...Why is this fellow Marshall still on the payroll? Trump at least boots out some high paid officers, when services aren't considered worthy. There must be at least one overpaid NALCOR world class executive, who can take responsibility of the project at this stage, and release Stan of his dubious contribution. I thought that with Tory-minded premier and premier in waiting, the Ford effect of firing high paid staff in the preferred utility would become order of the day.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41470451149202428662018-12-09T10:03:24.553-03:302018-12-09T10:03:24.553-03:30Yes Winston, I noted the numbers on VOCM straw vot...Yes Winston, I noted the numbers on VOCM straw vote too, and was going to hold my tongue, in hopes they would change through the day. So let me see now, 500 or so votes so far. Who would be voting that the inquiry is a waste of money, and could infer that the boondoggle was money well spent. The brave fearless media, I guess you could include in that bunch, as their silence has been rather deafening. All or most of the nalcor crowd, and hydro, and Nfld power. Those who made a fortune on the boondoggle. And then I suppose those that you may have to take pity on, the penny wise and pound foolish crowd, that think a million is the same as a billion, or those that still believe in Santa clause. But for the common sense average janes and joes, I think there's people should be taking the tine to voice their opinion, says average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-20990842128843917132018-12-09T09:40:12.352-03:302018-12-09T09:40:12.352-03:30What a glorious morning, fresh snow, everything cl...What a glorious morning, fresh snow, everything clean looking,sun shining brightly. So, we now for 4 days back from Houston,where the weather is warmer and green, but much prefer this type of day here and hope it holds, as long as Nalcor don't deliver a DarkNL over Christmas. <br /> AS I read AJ's comment, VOCM radio quotes Des Sullivan saying the Inquiry is slowly but surely putting these buggers(not Des's word) on trial. I go to the VOCM site and Des and MFs is in their headlines, saying the cost of the Inquiry is worth it. I go to the question of the day: Is the Inquiry worth the cost? 60 % say no, 33 % say yes.<br /> So what gives? 2 to 1 would rather not have this inquiry, or would have it if at less cost? Maybe a LEAST COST OPTION for an inquiry would satisfy most? We could have Ed Martin and Kathy Dunderdale pick the judge and counsel even. <br /> So more than 2 to 1 bought into the bill of goods that MFs was a great idea and now 2 to 1 are now not pleased of the public flogging of these buggers, the cost is too high? The scraped dome alone was 100 million. Friends, these buggers have wasted about 13 billion dollars! That's enough to have 13,000 millioneres in Nfld. In the 1930's we had but 20 such Water Street merchants in that class, now could have had 13,000, all on borrowed money, pay for by the ratepayers.<br /> Indeed, do we have a culture problem, a desire that our dirty laundry not be exposed to the sunshine?<br /> Seems the yellow jacket type peaceful protests,against the policies of the rich and elite, as in Paris, will not take hold here, as we as a people are perhaps too green to burn, as was stated a century ago? <br /> Perhaps many would even vote Danny Williams back in?<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-16495809034841502812018-12-09T08:43:49.327-03:302018-12-09T08:43:49.327-03:30The only Energy Plan I saw was take non-renueable ...The only Energy Plan I saw was take non-renueable oil money and spend it as fast as possible on renewable resources, and let the people be dammed. And the faster and more they could spend on renuable resources was an investiment in our future, yes debt up to our ying-yang for generations to come. That was the energy plan. I call it oil on the brain. The buggers. Or in simple terms they Fucked up big time, and the buggers are still trying to justify it, as it was based on the best information available at the time. Baloney, garbage, hog wash. It was the best and biggest lies they could come up with at the time that they thought they could sell to the people at the time, and ram down the throats of the people at the time. Sold a bill of goods on paper only, not in reality. As pointed out on this blog, the least cost power was a couple of billion, lower power rates and not the 15$ billion that we will be saddled with. Nail the buggers, every time they try to defend themselves. And ask them where the buck stops says average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-51123462298925537112018-12-08T23:49:51.463-03:302018-12-08T23:49:51.463-03:30As MA pointed out, Leblanc ended with a bank to po...As MA pointed out, Leblanc ended with a bank to point out a difference between least cost option and least cost power. Least cost power is what is mandated by the Power Control Act, or whatever the law is called. <br />So, all the talk by Nalcor, for years, has been on rates, of 16 cents or 18 cents or 23 cents per kwh. Increasing rates that ended with increasing monthly or yearly increased power bills.<br /> With that approach the public is little attuned to WHAT IF rates rise but power use decreases? And power decreases sufficiently so that your monthly and yearly power bill actually decreases? Do you then worry about increasing power rates? And WHAT IF the PLAN is so attractive as to financially assist you to decrease your power use to achieve a lower yearly power bill, despite the higher power rate?<br /> Leblanc is obviously aware of the difference, and also that such least cost power is often achieved in other jurisdictions by Conservation and Efficiency programs, such as proposed here by PlanetNL.<br /> The Inquiry counsel has skirted around this aspect of least cost. Bennett, with some arm twisting by Kate, had to admit Conservation and Efficiency would reduce energy use, but suggested it ma not be meaningful. Bennett know better, if a good formal plan was adopted. Maybe they are saving this issue for Ed Martin and Kathy Bennett. Remember Ed Martin told Ashley of the Telegram that Nflders are just "not interested" in conservation programs. I suggest that is because, up to now, such plans have been designed to be deceptive and provide no meaningful savings to ratepayers and they see no meaningful benefit. <br /> And Dunderdale brought in a Plan in 2011 to reduce energy use 20% over 10 years, but had no formal meaningful plan to achieve that. If was deceptive on her part. She even avoided attending some annual meetings with the Atlantic Provinces and USA Northeast governors who were successful successful in advancing conservation and efficiency programs for customers to reduce power loads and so reduce new generation supply.<br /> An exposure of this by the Inquiry, as PlanetNL says is likely the biggest technical mistake ( to forecast positive demand growth instead of negative growth via CDM), and to falsely say we needed the power of MFs to meet a fabricated positive load growth, will expose the scope of the MFs fiasco: a 12.7 billion boondoggle that also doubles power rates, where less than 2 billion could have kept power bills steady.<br /> It should be clear that LEAST COST OPTION, as sanctioned by Nalcor, was a scheme to avoid LEAST COST POWER to customers. <br /> The schemers-in-chief to pull this deceit on the public are Ed Martin and Kathy Dunderdale. Gilbert Bennett and forecaster Stratton and Bown, and others are mere foot soldiers to carry out orders. Orders no doubt were this, years before sanction: Show MFs as Least Cost Option, at all costs , by any means. And many means were indeed utilised, as we are seeing, by hook or by crook. <br /> What was not achieved was LEAST COST POWER, what the law demanded for ratepayers. Leblanc and ,likely counsel too, are aware of the deceit, it seems. Will the sparks fly from piercing questioning to these two schemers, Ed and Kathy? Lets end this year with some sense of justice from this costly inquiry. <br />Winston Adams Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-65036986598671725782018-12-08T21:34:49.306-03:302018-12-08T21:34:49.306-03:30This comment has been removed by the author.TMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01213412865108374357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-74605861168302269032018-12-08T19:50:37.826-03:302018-12-08T19:50:37.826-03:3014. A formal CDM program offering rebates etc for ...14. A formal CDM program offering rebates etc for low income residents, a program costing 50 Million a year.<br />15. Decreasing cost of generation pays for the CDM<br />16. High energy users pays via the marginal pricing premiums.<br />17. 2/3 of the CDM funding to be used for the residential sector, little or none to be used for appliances, lights or insulation, (as they offer less savings)<br />18. Ratepayers invests int this plan, 1 billion dollars over 10 years (so on average 100 million a year, which suggests rebates would be about 1/3 the cost of conversions)<br />19. With rates to go higher due to MFs, high income class are already converting, and this deflects extra costs on the poor, leading to energy poor crisis.<br />20. New gas turbines generators are needed as backup to replace Holyrood obselete units, and and when MFs fails. This would add 1-2 cents per kwh to rates.<br />21. CDM reduces the capacity of backup required, so fewed gas turbines than otherwise if CDM is not used.<br />22. Wind generation addition and storage would also reduce the backup capacity and fuel use.<br />23. CDM savings helps offset the cost of new gas turbines generators.<br /><br /> I am in agreement with at least 80% of these items, and 100 % of the concept in general. <br /> I hope others will comment further on this PlanetNL proposal, and why Nalcor , Nfld Hydro, Fortis, Nfld Power, Natural Resources and politicians of all 3 parties, nor our Consumer Advocate failed to propose such a plan.<br />Winston Adams<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-75470395142044165252018-12-08T19:32:28.533-03:302018-12-08T19:32:28.533-03:30PlanetNL says it's proposal for an Isolated Op...PlanetNL says it's proposal for an Isolated Option would eliminate Holyrood thermal plant and yet have stable and lower. This alternate was staring them in the face says Planet NL.<br />1. The forecast for power could have shown NO growth.<br />2. Address electric baseboard inefficiency.<br />3. Develop a full scale, 10 year CDM (COnservation Demand Management) program to tackle electric resistance heat.<br />4. This plan would likely avoid any new generation source, could keep rates stable and low and negligable capital risk.<br />5. Nalcor's Isolate plan was to do , and still does the opposite.<br />6. That the " false assumption of load growth may be the most critical technical error that enabled MFs"<br />7. That reducing Holyrood use, fuel savings could well potentially produce even lower power rates.<br />8. Ratepayers on average would use 20% less power , so lower power bills.<br />9. Inefficient electric heat is so huge a component on the grid , that more efficient electric heat or switching to other heat sources has the potential to eliminate thermal generation, reducing winter loads by 45 %.<br />10. Existing winter loads peaks when electric heaters are turned on simultaneously.<br />11. Peak demand would be expected to decrease in proportion to the planned energy decrease., or perhaps more, rendering it a non issue.<br />12. The sole policy focus would be widespread abatement of electric resistance heating.<br />13. The staged policy tool: reconstruct the rates to discourage electric resistance heating; increase rates by 1 cent per kwh per year, to avoid shock rates, and customers would then switch to wood, oil, propane, but many would switch to heatpumps (for new builds) and minisplits (for retrofits), which have 300% efficiency, so 3:1 as compared to baseboard electric heat, and this llikley achieve a 45 % reduction on winter grid load.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com