tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post1953915280152733513..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: RATE MITIGATION - GRASPING AT STRAWSDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger177125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-39294875364115642532019-01-21T17:58:45.300-03:302019-01-21T17:58:45.300-03:30Hahaha Bruno!
Great to see you're not ignorin...Hahaha Bruno!<br /><br />Great to see you're not ignoring me - I must have a great effect on you!<br /><br />Keep spitting absurdities, otherwise we would fear you're getting sick ;-)Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-56382436413304139972019-01-21T12:38:46.680-03:302019-01-21T12:38:46.680-03:30I see the trolls like Ex-Military Engr are back. B...I see the trolls like Ex-Military Engr are back. Beware of trolls bearing gifts if I can borrow a metaphor.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-67649495252604824442019-01-21T12:35:28.046-03:302019-01-21T12:35:28.046-03:30Great summary Winston but I must add a little more...Great summary Winston but I must add a little more bad news. <br /><br />Without a WMA the maximum output will be cut by as much as half depending on how kind HQ is to Nalcor.<br /><br />NS accomplished the increase by taking advantage of a desperate Nalcor. Nalcor had orders from the emperor to build a legacy. I only wish he had built a pyramid! Fast Ed was desperate to make MF look good on paper and NS took Ed to the cleaners. As you know the first block was free and then Emera extracted another block at "market rates" from a desperate fast Eddie Martin. He caved to Emera, gave away most of MF after HQ wins the WMA war. Then Eddie left town with his loot before the reality hit the rate/taxpayer The worst news is yet to come.<br /><br />Wind can now be backed with battery storage to make for unlimited wind potential. They, sadly, will cost a tenth! (at 3.5 cents kWh) of what MF costs. Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-72691249968609463782019-01-21T11:12:25.350-03:302019-01-21T11:12:25.350-03:30Anon@18:34
You either don't live here in NL an...Anon@18:34<br />You either don't live here in NL and will not be subject to the power rates/taxes we have now and will have once MF must be paid back<br />OR you're one of those who are responsible for the colossal mess we're in because of MF.Waynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-18694135169154284582019-01-21T09:03:43.203-03:302019-01-21T09:03:43.203-03:30Good to hear things are going well for you and you...Good to hear things are going well for you and your family. Take care. Cheers, average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-73243720521350098282019-01-21T01:16:05.320-03:302019-01-21T01:16:05.320-03:30Keep trucking along Winston!
Always enjoy readin...Keep trucking along Winston! <br /><br />Always enjoy reading your posts - even when we drown under overwhelming EE details ;-). <br /><br />I always appreciate your continual respectfull and caring tone. (We need more of this here...)<br /><br />Again, I really hope things keep going for the better, to you and your wife!! Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-17707207863438594972019-01-20T22:09:55.686-03:302019-01-20T22:09:55.686-03:30I think , Joe, that the comment is aimed at me too...I think , Joe, that the comment is aimed at me too, as I alone has ever mentioned my wife. She developed stage 4 cancer to the colon, lymph nodes and liver. In the last 8 months she has gone through 3 major surgeries, 2 locally , one of which took 14 inches from the colon, another took away 60 % of the liver, then one more operation in Texas, with 2 resections there on the remaining left liver lobe.<br /> Recently a scare here, that another liver tumor had appeared, but this was not so, and now, as far as scans can show , no evidence of disease, a NED. I call her a neddie, as we called the tiny tom cods.<br /> As Margaret Thatcher said "I'm not for turning". So too, my wife, she's not for dying. We both walk daily unless the weather stops us, and indoors there is the thread mill. And too, she is not poor, financially or in spirit.<br /> She often asks me "What is Uncle Gnarley saying", and she is familiar, through me, (she being visually impaired, so cannot read the blog) with key people on this blog: Average Joe, Dave Vardy, Ex Military, and Heracles from Quebec, Robert Holmes, Bruno,and recently Fred Wilcox, and not least, Des Sullivan. <br /> She appreciates my interest here. She too knew many key players at Nfld Hydro in the 1970s when I worked there. This blog too is a distraction too, from health issues and she encourages my engagement.<br />Chemo, of course , causes what is referred to as brain fog, so that issue needs close attention, but no signs yet of her going nuts, from either source. She is at times amused by some UG comments that I read to her. <br /> So, anon @ 18:34, I thrust your wife, if you have one, has a spirit like my wife. Good that you are concerned as to my wife's health. I will try not to neglect her, which will ease your concern. . <br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-3326158836018714452019-01-20T20:05:39.721-03:302019-01-20T20:05:39.721-03:30Anon 18:34
Right On
But your comment probably won&...Anon 18:34<br />Right On<br />But your comment probably won't last too long, ole UG doesn't have a sense of humor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11751883165117979272019-01-20T19:31:36.155-03:302019-01-20T19:31:36.155-03:30Fuck off.Fuck off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-92154275341260759612019-01-20T19:11:52.590-03:302019-01-20T19:11:52.590-03:30Well buddy boy you speak for yourself, as I walk/r...Well buddy boy you speak for yourself, as I walk/run every day of the year, unless it is pouring rain. Yes I do use a groomed trail in snow, and cross country ski too. Also take my grand kids to hockey as well. So you can give some of your bullshit too, and you can also tell us what else you do. But as an after taught what are you do here anyway, you must enjoy. Cheers, average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55817146170579577222019-01-20T18:34:45.090-03:302019-01-20T18:34:45.090-03:30Suggest that some on this blog really need to give...Suggest that some on this blog really need to give it a break for a change, get outdoors and let the stink blow off'em... they've used up all the oxygen on this site with their non-stop, rambling, one-dimensional never-changing, un-ending, perpetual bullshit. <br /><br />They really must have their poor wives driven nuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-88093891990905677482019-01-20T16:44:37.041-03:302019-01-20T16:44:37.041-03:30Surprised Winston, that almost no one has commente...Surprised Winston, that almost no one has commented on your excellent summary of the big picture of what this is all about and makes some of us so angry, that like you said a dirty dozen or so has put this province in Jepardey for generations to come. It's a hell of a lot more than nuts, it's stupid at its best and treason at its worst. I just can't find the words to describe it, plus I am too angry to write right now. Are there any readers on the blog from higher institutes of learning that can use their gifted writing skills to express the views of the average Jane, Mary, and Liza, as well as Joe, John and jerimira, and do a better job than I can. Is there a brave media person that might want to add the signature and publish this, to inform the people. Cheers, just an average joes' opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-51426511665293941202019-01-20T14:20:15.582-03:302019-01-20T14:20:15.582-03:30If a double line from CFs to MFs, then maybe about...If a double line from CFs to MFs, then maybe about 600MW capacity so could backfeed avg output of MFs to CFs? Perhaps someone can verify the capacity and how much now available in winter to come to Nfld? <br /> Point intended: unless Nfld arranges purchases from CFs, currently there is little energy available to ship over the 900MW Dc line, if the MFs plant doesn't operate? So that DC line is only then a good asset if we buy CFs power. If now Labrador power is 59 cent cost, another 4 cents say for CFs power, would be 63 cent cost overall.<br />WA <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-22062741968321448282019-01-20T13:53:58.593-03:302019-01-20T13:53:58.593-03:30Lets looks at how this has played out:
NS, with a ...Lets looks at how this has played out:<br />NS, with a peak load, about 2200 MW, I think, had only 20 % renewable power. Most of the 80 % power was from dirty coal.<br /> NL with a peak load of about 1750 MW had about 85 % renewable hydro power on an energy basis, but about 1/3 was thermal short term for winter cold snaps. NL needed only to get 13 % more renewable to reach 98 % renewable. The winter peak could be mitigated with CDM and other low cost Isolated options. NL's challenge was tiny compared to NS. NS set a goal to double renewable from 20 to 40 % by 2020, a 20 % increase, but no hydro resource to achieve this. This was more than NL needed to get to 98 % renewable for our island, and we wit 800 MW of hydro remaining here on the island undeveloped. <br /> NS problem was very huge, our's very small. <br /> But NS is now on target to achieve their goal by 2020, without increasing power costs to customers. Remarkable . How was it done?<br /><br /> Now, NL needs to double power rates with MFs, and still questionable reliability of that power. That too is remarkable. How was that done?<br /><br /> NS shrewdly pitted HQ against NL, and NL took the bait, hook , line and sinker.<br /> <br /> Nfld Hydro assets of 1000MW hydro produced power at about 3 cent cost. Nfld Power'S small 100 MW of hydro capacity cost about the same , 3 cent power.<br /> <br /> NS does not directly get MFs power , but 160 MW of our low cost 3 cent power build and paid for by hard working Nflder for 6 decades. <br /> NS pays not 3 cents but zero cents for our heritage hydro power. Zero cents for 35 years. This Ed Martin traded off to accept ownership of the DC cable to NS, after it is essentially wore out. A good deal for Nfld he said.<br /> <br /> So when our low cost power goes to NS this way, we now get 59 cent power for Nflders, from Labrador MFs , 1100kw away, and not reliable. This to compensate for what we supply to NS. This 59 cent power all to be paid by NL ratepayers ( which Ball says not so, because of Pixie Dust that will eliminate by mitigate.).<br /><br />Our reliable 3 cent power, 300 miles from St Johns is going to NS, while we get unreliable 59 cent power 1100 kw away via very harsh terrain. <br /> NS link can handle 500MW, so at times we sell them an extra 160 MW of our island power for 5 cents, while at times we may have to pay 18 to 28 cents for thermal generation at Holyrood, so at a further loss for Nflders. <br /> For kickers, wind is now about 3.7 cent cost. This normally a treasure for Nfld's high wind capacity from our geographic location. . Wind needs to be anchored with hydro generators for stability, so a excellent benefit for Nfld wind potential. NS, however, knew how to hold them or fold them, so held off until Ed Martin gave freely to NS our wind anchoring capacity to NS. So NS is now lickety split developing wind power for their province, aided by our island hydro anchoring for stability. They boast of this as causing lots of econmic development there, even co ops in the wind business. And too Mi'kmaq First nations. Of NS renewables, wind is now 19 % of that, but was only 1 % in 2007! But we must remember Nalcor told us wind was of no benefit for Nfld! If you tell a lie, tell a big one. Can't get much bigger. <br /> So we made a GREAT DEAL, right? Think HQ would fall for such a deal with NS? <br />Who was the brains for our deal making? Who was the dirty dozen, that betrayed our people and our province?<br /> Now we have Synapse, Liberty, PENG2 etc proposing solutions and mitigation. And Nfld Power wants in. Nfld Power's 100 MW of generation was not in the trade off with NS. <br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-63000828172324285282019-01-20T13:40:20.995-03:302019-01-20T13:40:20.995-03:30WA @ 12:43:
So, NS is effectively isolated and NL...WA @ 12:43:<br /><br />So, NS is effectively isolated and NL would have to make a strong argument to get the power commitment set aside - not good for the non-complete argument.<br /><br />Also, the new CF-MF line is 2 twin 795 Drake sets - your 350MW seems low. There are no other TL changes in Labrador yet.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-78881081858313374682019-01-20T12:43:45.099-03:302019-01-20T12:43:45.099-03:30I think the link between NS and Nb is muck like th...I think the link between NS and Nb is muck like the link batween MGS and CFs, about 350 MW capacity. Yet for NS, it can import about no more than 100 MW from NB, as NB has no spare capacity. So, while part of the NA grid, NS is much like an Isolated grid, so too Texas, as to grid ties. <br /> If no MFs plant, our DC line has 900 MW cap, but limited by the AC line capacity connecting to CFs, proboably about 350 MW, this inteded mostly to backfeed power from Mfs to CFs. And as CFs recall is mostly used up in Labrador, do we have any more than 100 MW in winter typical available from CFs, and limited anyway to 350 MW by that AC line? <br /> So we have 900 MW DC capacity and able to get very little power? Correct me if I made an error?<br /> WA Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41030095136000437212019-01-20T12:05:53.686-03:302019-01-20T12:05:53.686-03:30Anony @ 11:42:
Provide some precedent for what yo...Anony @ 11:42:<br /><br />Provide some precedent for what your are suggesting - just what are we going to offer Emera (a private company not governed by the laws of NL) as an incentive to forgo their investment payout? Even if Emera are willing to forgo their payout if we agree to reimburse them the $2B for the Maritime Link are you suggesting that is a good idea?<br /><br />Past history (think all the time we have wasted with the CF courts challenges) has shown little promise of success. I wouldn't hold my breath on that thread - we have a COD impending, and should prepare to live up to the contract that 70% of NLers begged for and got.<br /><br />Read up on the FLG - the Maritime Link is 100% a separate project than MF / LTA / LIL.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-27124480469237182702019-01-20T11:42:49.273-03:302019-01-20T11:42:49.273-03:30Only 2 options? How about at least one more, wher...Only 2 options? How about at least one more, where a negotiated settlement results in Emera taking a huge writeoff? Why assume NL will own 100% of Emera's risk in the event of project failure? Why does PENG2 continue to fail to recognize the project is 99% politics and that includes Canada and NS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-76750791890617501182019-01-20T11:26:34.954-03:302019-01-20T11:26:34.954-03:30Bruno. my BS detector is pretty good, but not perf...Bruno. my BS detector is pretty good, but not perfect. So too, I challenge you at times, other times agree. <br /> So I wait PENG2 response, and it is a difficult question, as even Chainsaw Earle Ball looks at complicated mitigation proposals via Synapse and Liberty. <br /> For sure , We all have biases. I read that best decisions are arrived at when your ideas are challenged by those most opposed. In that context, Nalcor shut out critics, under Tory and Liberal governments.<br /> As you know I am much inclined to Energy Efficiency as import to solutions, but that too has limits, and can be so effective to sometimes needing to be tapered back, when other commitments already made and must be paid for, so then a balance is required. <br /> Agree that at times PENG2 seems to stay silent on issues that appear uncomfortable for him to comment. <br /> As to legalities of the many contracts, that an issue I avoid, as Nalcor has been outfoxed legally in a dozen ways. And too we see the silent 20 legal begals at the Inquiry , all defending the boondoggle enablers, and most all never a question to ask. All sitting on their arses collecting $200 or more an hour. <br /> We have over 500 lawyers in Nfld, most with their fingers in the pie.<br />MUN now wants to start a school to produce 100 new legal begals per year! Yet can't find money having 400 million backlog on building maintenance. <br /> MUN: SHUT HER DOWN, I have suggested, part in jest, but part of the boondoggle enablers. And each family costing us $2400 a yer for MUN 300 million a year subsidy, to pay for Locke and others who help bankrupt our economy. <br /> Russell at the Telegram compliins about 15 million or so cost to replace an aged power cable to Fogo Isalnd,. Yet MUN with one small move, got old profs tripping over each other for buy out retirement packages, and they save 10 million like Pizie Dust. And Fogo an important fishing community and tourist area, and as if they, and all rural Nfld are a burden. <br /> So, I go off on a tangent, but shows the lack of good governance, for MUN and elsewhere. Maybe Build A wall on the Avalon Istmus, as eeat of there is the home of most all that destroy our economy, yet produce little of any use. The Confederation Bldg and MUN the main home of high cost and incompetence of governance. Those wit competence are cast aside. <br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-15520628088650467242019-01-20T10:50:13.462-03:302019-01-20T10:50:13.462-03:30WA @ 00:33:
If there isn't a reliable TL from...WA @ 00:33:<br /><br />If there isn't a reliable TL from Labrador (either MF or CF) providing power to NS as agreed to, there are 2 options:<br />1) the NS bloc comes from Island supply (not a huge issue in summer, but could tax the island supply in winter if no additional generation or conservation/efficiency is brought onboard)<br />2) NL pays NS to import power via others links between NS and NB - is there even spare transmission capacity for this to work (I don't know the NS transmission system well enough to say)?<br /><br />FYI - the line between CF and MF is a 315kV AC line. (I am thinking you made a typo or was DC your understanding)?<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-29206864955242336382019-01-20T10:32:28.261-03:302019-01-20T10:32:28.261-03:30Winston, Do not stop until the gravy train for PEN...Winston, Do not stop until the gravy train for PENG2 and his cronies comes to an end.<br /><br />Until then he will baffle with bullshit and only convince you that he is brilliant without clarifying anything for you.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-64875852924472752262019-01-20T00:33:49.622-03:302019-01-20T00:33:49.622-03:30You have suggested complete but not operate, that...You have suggested complete but not operate, that is not risk the Spur.<br /> We have very limited capacity over the DC line from CFs <br /> What then, PENG2 is your solution for the island load and NS commitment then going forward?<br />Winston<br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-49594972463342702692019-01-19T22:50:46.731-03:302019-01-19T22:50:46.731-03:30WA @ 21:54:
To me, it would only make sense if th...WA @ 21:54:<br /><br />To me, it would only make sense if the following costs I outlined above at 17:02 were also included.<br /><br />Fine to do the analysis(and I agree it should have been done to satisfy the public-would have been good governance), but I am satisfied based on my experience (with Nalcor and elsewhere) that once a project reaches a so called 'terminal work point or a point of max worker' it is very hard to turn back.<br /><br />The problem with finishing only transmission is that still gives us an issue with the FLG - the FLG speaks only of 'completion', so a solution would be needed there too.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-67299662790311483702019-01-19T21:54:44.030-03:302019-01-19T21:54:44.030-03:30Agree that cancellation costs on just $/kwh isn...Agree that cancellation costs on just $/kwh isn't sound, and a rough assumption. But overall the study lends credibility to UG's position of put Muskrat on ice, pause and assess, on a sound basis of the situation then, including declining demand, and much more. Even if finishing the transmission line and putting the generation plant on ice would be worthwhile. Synapse and Liberty could have assisted then easier than now as to the Way Forward. Ball got advise only from Stan it seems, who while having a lot of experience, the situation called for outside world class expertise it would seem . In house Nalcor expertise had tunnel vision. <br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-39081212200992914222019-01-19T20:40:22.794-03:302019-01-19T20:40:22.794-03:30You don't really expect the average Joe or Jan...You don't really expect the average Joe or Jane to read all those reports, especially when they are a mumbo jumbo and not written in a way for the average person to completely compherend. But I know you are in the know, so please enlighten this average Joe and maybe others on UG blog how much had been spent on the dam powerhouse by the last nalcor report of 2015, and how much has been spent since. Tks. Average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com