tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post5457877037757753324..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: MUSKRAT ENERGY COST – ANOTHER MEASURE OF FAILUREDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-19808508489447305952018-12-24T09:48:32.815-03:302018-12-24T09:48:32.815-03:30You don't plan on being around in 2070 Anon? ...You don't plan on being around in 2070 Anon? <br /><br />Some of us have a stake in the future whether we are here or not.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-47703784646318473092018-12-23T16:40:00.827-03:302018-12-23T16:40:00.827-03:30Bruno, by 2070, both you and your mule will be pus...Bruno, by 2070, both you and your mule will be pushing up daisies, unless you have some secret to very long life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-28001207736500158822018-12-23T11:54:01.173-03:302018-12-23T11:54:01.173-03:30Anon@ 11:18
With HPs saving 1000.00 a year typica...Anon@ 11:18<br /> With HPs saving 1000.00 a year typical on power bills at 11 cent rates, and actually little maintenance (clean filters 4 times a year), and AC and dehumidificaation, and better quality heat, a good investment, so why is this not smart? Mine now operating trouble free for 8 years. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anon 11;18<br /> Agree many will rate for rate design, but wonder of sticking with baseboard heat is smart?<br /> low capital cost , low capital maintenance, yes, but HPs with 300% efficiency offer savings of about 1000.00 per year on power bills, so a smart investment, and why many do it now at 11 cent power rates. Mine now needing no maintenance for 8 years. If a grid power failure , I can run HP off a small generator and stay warm. And I have summer cooling and dehumidifiaction, and better quality heat. So why is that not smart?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-58229984102654014872018-12-23T11:18:38.458-03:302018-12-23T11:18:38.458-03:30Smart money in NL will stick with low capital cost...Smart money in NL will stick with low capital cost, low maintenance cost baseboard heaters until the government decides what it will do with rate design to recover Muskrat costs, before deciding upon high capital cost, high maintenance cost heat pumps. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-4864494063578917362018-12-23T08:16:15.179-03:302018-12-23T08:16:15.179-03:30Levi, Nalcor used an orb to intuit oil would be 12...Levi, Nalcor used an orb to intuit oil would be 120 bbl by now climbing steadily to 260! by 2070.<br /><br />I will be riding my mule before I pay for gasoline at 260!Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-82111966026292658862018-12-23T07:34:27.356-03:302018-12-23T07:34:27.356-03:30Anyone who ignored the high costs and inefficienci...Anyone who ignored the high costs and inefficiencies of baseboard heating and ignoring the efficiencies and lower costs of air to air (or ground to air for large structures) was simply being biased in favor of wasting our tax paying dollars on a $13 Billion dam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-14583988688299959352018-12-22T20:26:28.707-03:302018-12-22T20:26:28.707-03:30A report as stated by PlanetNL to inform the Inqui...A report as stated by PlanetNL to inform the Inquiry what was possible as lowest cost power is essential to see the scale of this fiasco. Likely 11 or more billion,including interest of waste, so not just 0.5 billion hidden risk and construction escalation.<br /> Leblanc buts emphasis on P factor, but seems to ignore no CDM, poor wind analysis and small hydro not fully identified. To so ignore is to repeat the false analysis of Nalcor and their consultants. Recall Leblanc's praise of the NFld Hydro trio,including forecaster Stratton and system planning engineer, and compare what we have heard since that discredits them. <br /> Put them up against experts properly assessing CDM, wind and small hydro and best thermal backup and see the true scale of this disaster. Also it can assist with our way forward, and if MFs proves unreliable, or never operates, we have Plan B, or even with lower or erratic water fall from climate change,and and as to future sustainable power rates. <br /> Bruno says more studies is a waste as we know what the lowest cost was. Not true. We have a sense, but not enough sound analysis to reasonably pin down. As PENG2 says, and I agree, reasonableness should be the test. And not by a consultant unduly influenced for a biased result and recommendation, as Nalcor and our power companies do.<br /> Without such a expert report , this Inquiry will whitewash much of the manipulation, and many billion of dollars waste for having sanctioning the worst cost power option.<br /> Since 2012 , wind has gone from 7 to 4 cent per kwh cost. MFs, was to be 20 cent and then blended, now may reach 3 dollars per kwh with very low energy sales. <br />Never in the annals of history has so much harm been done to so many by so few, as Churchill would say. We need to quantify the financial harm done, with real expertise, as PlanetNL suggests. That can be done based on knowledge and reasonable assumptions that existed pre sanction.<br /> Perhaps PlanetNL can suggest a list of such consultants?<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-29491813733912944292018-12-22T19:41:43.399-03:302018-12-22T19:41:43.399-03:30Stockholm has more yearly hrs of sunshine than Lo...Stockholm has more yearly hrs of sunshine than London or Dublin,but less in Dec, and probably matches London or Dublin for some winter months. It is also dryer than the others. But also much further north. So surprising that this works so well. THey may get more sun in winter than the Avalon, not sure. But this is new housing, and can be very low on heating needs, like Flatrock Passive house. But shows what is possible with new construction.<br />90 % of Nfld houses are older stock and not so easily heated as new efficient houses. But as you say, 13 billion wasted could do wonders. Where is MUN or other research and model efficient houses?<br />Our govn Conservation dept could only see MFs as the future. <br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-3342616270169623512018-12-22T19:00:13.947-03:302018-12-22T19:00:13.947-03:30Sweden is a winter country and further north in La...Sweden is a winter country and further north in Latitude. They receive less sunlight in winter than we do. They store excess electricity as H2 gas and retrieve it latter in the night etc and produce it as electricity.<br /><br />The concept is simple but a little more elaborate than in the engineering. if it can be done for a block of 172 apartments it can be done for other structures. It just goes to show how backward we are in NL. While we were wasting $13 Billion on a dame that may not even be able to meet our needs if the grid fails, the Swedes were reinventing electricity production and storage. We need to start rethinking how we train our engineers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-23539530106377651672018-12-22T18:10:19.213-03:302018-12-22T18:10:19.213-03:30I think they thought oil was going to keep rising ...I think they thought oil was going to keep rising and who needs a brain, or break a sweat when oil will be $300/barrel by 2018? Todays Telegram article can be used as LeBlancs final report and save us the expense. But i'd like to know who signed off on the "dome" and the SNC warning to Nalcor never got "transmitted" to Martin. Those two Zingers should be worth the price of phase 2.Levy Payerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10196300514529410225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-53531824535182535032018-12-22T17:30:49.902-03:302018-12-22T17:30:49.902-03:30I assume this part of sweden does not have the rai...I assume this part of sweden does not have the rain , drizzle , fog and snow that impairs our solar optons. Climate influences the best options, so here island hydro and wind with CDM including efficient electric heat Hps) out perform solar. Here they have experimented with wind and hydrogen, but doubt if worthwhile. <br /> No need to look at Sweden, look at what works best here, I suggest<br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-73857414169115007302018-12-22T15:55:34.482-03:302018-12-22T15:55:34.482-03:30And this document gives insight into CDM. About 3 ...And this document gives insight into CDM. About 3 lines from Nfld Hydro, but several pages in the attached consultant report. <br /> Unlike most jurisdictions, wher Conservation is used to reduce power grid demand, in Nfld it has been used only to consider energy savings ( fuel reduction at Holyrood). So the cost of Holyrood plant, maintenance, transmission losses etc has not been factored. <br /> To avoid expensive new generation supply is the prudent use of CDM to reduce peak grid demand. Instead, nalcor did the opposite: ignore CDM for grid demand reduction and go for the boondoggle, whether at 6.2 or 12.7 billion, it was 5 to 10 times more costly then necessary. <br /> This document points out the advantages of CDM and that Nfld Hydro ignored it, but may or ma not now use it for demand reduction. Like all recent so called independent consultants, they are on board with Nfld Hydro and Nfld Power to again ignore reasonable CDM, and ignore the demand reduction potential.<br /> So, this logic suggests we keep encouraging higher peak demand, and we can soon justify Gull sanction for the island peak demand needs, just need to forget elasticity effects and dropping energy sales. <br /> So all the same people with the same logic, that proudly says MFs, nothing was done wrong. Most smiled their way through the inquiry<br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59575861910192777572018-12-22T15:46:19.508-03:302018-12-22T15:46:19.508-03:30Anyone who thinks there aren't options to Base...Anyone who thinks there aren't options to Baseboard Heating, Hydro Dams and Oil Fired Generators really should read this article:<br /><br />https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/pv_solar/swedish-housing-block-powered-100-percent-by-20181221Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11870519151422089012018-12-22T15:30:42.221-03:302018-12-22T15:30:42.221-03:30Another insight: for rural rates, fron that docume...Another insight: for rural rates, fron that document<br /> Now it appears, whether a diesel plant serves southern Nfld or coastal Labrador, the power rate is the same, the rationale being fairness. However, because of Labrador's colder climate, they use more power for heating. So there is a subsidy for all such rural areas, as rates down't cover full costs. <br /> This is now proposed to be changed to increase coastal Labrador rates. the rationale is a more straightforward simplified method. Coastal Labrador already 3rd world living conditions, many with food shortage concerns and food costs 3 times St John's, and porr medical facilities and service, now to get squeezed again. Vast wealth of resource extraction from Labrador, iron, copper, nickel hydro power and yet coastal Labrador being put into deeper poverty and neglect by the power brokers in St John's.<br />WA<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-30847536135186627402018-12-22T13:50:29.131-03:302018-12-22T13:50:29.131-03:30I wonder how many have read the referenced Nfld Hy...I wonder how many have read the referenced Nfld Hydro application of Nov 2018, in this UG piece? and if so,the implications?<br /> As we suffer through the Inquiry disclosure, another scam to fool the residents, middle class and poor, to the benefit of the well off is taking place via that Nfld Hydro document.<br /> As PlanetNL says, MFs is a peaker plant, to meet high winter electric heat loads for 3-4 months, and very high loads for about 6 days. MFs now needs over 650 million of extra revenue from ratepayers per year to save 100 million in fuel at Holyrood, so net over 550 million to be added on power bills.<br /> The document discusses if costs are transmission or generation related, and so if to be assessed mainly as energy or demand charges. Hydro is proposing about 80/20, so only 20 percent for demand. What does this imply? While essentially to meet winter demand, and so a peaker plant,it will be charged mostly to customers as energy related, though it will supply the island with little energy. The result is to stick it to low and middle income people with small or modest houses, while large houses will get away very cheaply as to their fair share. Large houses use about 4 times more demand in winter, than other houses, yet will be assessed if only 20% of MFs project is power demand related.<br /> Customers should raise hell over this favouritism for the rich, many of whom benefit from this boondoggle. This is adding insult to injury.<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-34883919990014367132018-12-22T13:07:37.052-03:302018-12-22T13:07:37.052-03:30And here we have yet another colossal dupe... one...And here we have yet another colossal dupe... one more amongst many, many, many NLers eagerly looking to blame anyone but themselves for their wretched plight... thus both susceptible and willing to be suckered in over the years by decades of non-stop propagandist bullshit from legions of NL politicians looking to deflect and distract from their own colossal ineptitudes, incompetence, and corruption... by blaming any convenient outsider, be it Quebec, the feds, or whomever would suit their political expediency of the day... by blaming any convenient outsider for the chronically wretched state NL society finds itself in. <br /><br />Of course the tragedy for the NLers of today is that the stars aligned so that THIS particular dupe... KATHY DUNDERDALE... found herself in a position where she was enabled to wreak economic and societal havoc on generations of NLers for decades to come... with her disastrously naive, financially-illiterate approach to recklessly managing the affairs of a small province with a vulnerable resource-based economy, sparsely populated with an insular, gullible people. <br /><br />Of course the rest is history. <br /><br />Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time...<br /><br />https://www.thetelegram.com/news/local/hydro-quebec-power-wasnt-an-option-kathy-dunderdale-tells-muskrat-falls-inquiry-269877/<br /><br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-28055471307175776592018-12-22T12:59:01.926-03:302018-12-22T12:59:01.926-03:30If everyone was convicted of whatever criminal cha...If everyone was convicted of whatever criminal charges and all their assets seized it is still a small percentage of the 13 thousand million. <br /><br />Buddy in the Ponzi scheme got 150 years but small comfort to the people who lost everything. <br /><br />Put them all in prison and, irony, we all pay hundreds of thousands for each per year to keep them in prison for whatever term they get, and the money will still be squirrrlled away In their offshore accounts or trusts for their families. <br /><br />This talk of criminality, while understandable, isn’t very conducive to how our futures will look or be. <br /><br />What goes around comes around. <br /><br />They did it.<br />They are getting away with it. <br />We can naught but continue to suffer. <br /><br />Emma Goldman, again, “The mass are true to their masters, love the whip, and are the first to cry Crucify.”<br /><br />Welcome to the mass. <br />Tor Fosnaeshttp://mobilewords.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-36516479495604921782018-12-22T00:24:33.535-03:302018-12-22T00:24:33.535-03:30There are many nuggets in exhibits, many likely no...There are many nuggets in exhibits, many likely not displayed. Example<br />Winter power available to Nfld from CFs, which seem to apply now, is only 60 MW, (our few wind units deliver 54 MW with a good breeze).Last figures I heard is we now get 45 MW over the DC line.<br /> HQ proposal with NB in 2009 was a value of 10 billion. Rates to customers there would drop 20-40 % and industrial rates same as in PQ<br /> So, I guess, Danny started to twitch and lamb blasted HQ to stir up trouble which ended that proposal. <br /> Various Comments to avoid aggressive conservation and demand management for the Isolated Option here. So, now no surprise Stratton, the forecaster, never considered it, this being suggested form high up.<br /> I just wonder what documents exist that are not made public?<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-74743116516558101202018-12-21T20:57:29.303-03:302018-12-21T20:57:29.303-03:30Meanwhile, climate change mitigation is as effecti...Meanwhile, climate change mitigation is as effective as MFs power rate mitigation, and Ed Martin's risk mitigation.<br /> After about 30 years, zilch of climate change mitigation, and emission increasing. By Oct this year, we know know of about a dozen tipping points that can soon void any human mitigation. Yesterday the latest is that 45 % of those tipping points can be inter-related, to reinforce each other. Science has seriously underestimated the destructive forces we unleash.<br /> On the positive, the Poland summit last week, both Norway and Germany committed 100 billion dollars each to help poor countries to mitigate and prepare, whole most rich oil and coal resource nations want to continue as usual. Norway has amassed about 1 trillion from its oil resources. So what can NL do to help the poor countries form Nalcor's oil legacy fund? And how is our carbon tax to help average citizens here?<br /> Other most interesting: discovery and photos of water on Mars. It used to be that they thought maybe a little, if any, somewhere below the surface. Now pictures of a crater 50 miles across and ice 1 mile thick in that crater. <br /> Meanwhile we are on tract to destroy our own planet, to be uninhabitable for many species, and not so good for humans.<br /> Christmas for future generations may not be so pleasant. Seasons may not exist as we know them. We see at times warmer at the North Pole in winter than at mid latitudes. As Robert says, where is our Energy Plan? And where is our money for an energy plan?<br />The winter solstice used to have fears that the sun would not return and disappear. We now know that more than 1.5 C rise in average planet temperature is very dangerous. We are already up 1.0 C. So not much to play with, something like Nalcor forecast. We could have gone m=negative growth and saved 10 billion, instead Nalcor wanted 0.8 % growth. Small changes makes a huge difference.<br /> Perhaps a New Years change will occur, and we all turn Green. Yes, there is such things as miracles, but very rare.<br /> Winston<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55005328642992165992018-12-21T18:44:30.733-03:302018-12-21T18:44:30.733-03:30Merry Christmas Joe, Kepler would be proud of you....Merry Christmas Joe, Kepler would be proud of you..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-38789608063840220912018-12-21T18:42:32.219-03:302018-12-21T18:42:32.219-03:30Yes indeed, now the days start getting longer, Jan...Yes indeed, now the days start getting longer, January will whip by, February drags a little slower, but come March the daylight hours are stacking up, peak snow is behind us and there's only a few more storms left, and it'll soon be time start getting the cabin ready for May 24 again... yyyaayyy!!<br /><br />Life is good!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-62942985440954597342018-12-21T15:51:18.976-03:302018-12-21T15:51:18.976-03:30The same to you and family Joe. Just think, there ...The same to you and family Joe. Just think, there is probably sufficient solar energy wasted in one day over the Avalon, to heat half of North America for one Winter. Happy Solstice:-)Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-83454782368897101302018-12-21T15:42:45.907-03:302018-12-21T15:42:45.907-03:30Merry Christmas everyone, one more circle 'rou...Merry Christmas everyone, one more circle 'round the sun...its been a pleasant journey conversing with you all.... The average distance to the sun is 93 million miles, an eleptical orbit, actually nearest at the winter solstice. Distance=2pieR = 584 million miles. In addition to that the sun is moving around a galactic center at 514 mph. Rather smooth ride. Cheers average Joe. Lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-32159670366321660902018-12-21T14:21:52.794-03:302018-12-21T14:21:52.794-03:30Someone mention Russians. Think you are describing...Someone mention Russians. Think you are describing Russia, or Siberia. Maybe you will emmigrate there. Yes, underground economy and all. Putin will take good care of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-6009301281750579212018-12-21T14:05:21.178-03:302018-12-21T14:05:21.178-03:30We could kill all the capital budgets and only do ...We could kill all the capital budgets and only do emergency repairs. No updating things for accessibility, newer building codes, abating asbestos, demolishing old buildings, new road paving, new hospitals and we just keep patching up what we have. We already have a few billion dollars in deferred maintenance, so it would only slowly get worse. There was a time when a roof leak in a government building might be addressed with a bucket in the ceiling area or draping plastic so that it drained into a janitor closet sink.<br /><br />There are many uncessary and/or useless government departments that could be elimiated. Much of MUN's administrators could be fired. This would put a huge dent in the middle class and many of these families would have to leave the province for work. We could have 30 children in every classroom and get rid of hundreds of school teachers. Schools with single digit enrollment could be closed and parents expected to home school. Most ferry services could end, forcing resettlements.<br /><br />Rural dwellers could burn peat moss and start digging up bogs if trees get scarce. The underground economy would thrive since it bypasses the 15% sales tax and reduces income tax.<br /><br />The only hope I see is that it will force those who remain to become more self-reliant on family and brutally hard work, well into old age. Perhaps that isn't so bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com