tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post6198186177106888612..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: ENGINEER OFFERS JUDGE LEBLANC POINTS TO PONDERDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-47355092955435081502018-03-29T15:00:38.536-02:302018-03-29T15:00:38.536-02:30PF:
My original statement from above:
------star...PF:<br /><br />My original statement from above:<br /><br />------start copy from above------<br /><br />PF:<br /><br />I guess you missed that I said contractor inexperience applies only if owner makes a mistake-the owner wholly owns the responsibility for accepting the contractor. Means/methods are the contractors prevue, poor work are the owners responsibility if the owner accepted---so the issues you note need to be separated and analyzed individually.<br /><br />So we are all on the same page, $127M is 'only' 1% of the $12.7B total cost, so I would again say no NL company was a major contractor at MF---maybe big for Cahill etc, but small in considering the larger scope of the work.<br /><br />PENG2<br /><br />------finish copy from above------<br /><br /><br /><br />Nowhere there did I minimize of try to say anything other than NL companies were not major players at MF. None of the major contracts were let to a NL company-major work was all awards to overseas companies, most probably because the local companies didn't have the bonding capacity to undertake such work.<br /><br />I also made a $ vs penny comparison-again to put it in relative terms, a comparison most could relate to is like adding a $3000 patio to their newly purchased $300000 home-when looking at the scope of Cahills(assuming ~$150M total contract) work that is effectively what they did, minor in overall scope.<br /><br />Going forward, please quote correctly-aside from that, MF wasn't my brain child, nor did I let the work. When you reference craft rates, maybe check the RDC agreements posted online-MF craft rates are not 2-3x what unionized craft labour are currently getting when working on other jobs in NL, no matter what 3rd hand rumours you have been told.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-84086149586778096892018-03-28T23:59:08.674-02:302018-03-28T23:59:08.674-02:30Yes , 2 million a day, thanks, AJ, an error, leas...Yes , 2 million a day, thanks, AJ, an error, least I be accused of playing the numbers game like Peng2, so interest now climbing toward a billion a year , interest to foreigners and bond holders. <br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-79649349767797791692018-03-28T21:39:49.032-02:302018-03-28T21:39:49.032-02:30Hoops...should that be 2 $ million a day or 200$ ....Hoops...should that be 2 $ million a day or 200$ . I get lost in big numbers, as I mentioned before, they are not in my personal bank account. Lol. AJ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-64239976476103241422018-03-28T21:25:18.939-02:302018-03-28T21:25:18.939-02:30You covered all the basis there PF, so you left no...You covered all the basis there PF, so you left nothing for me to say, except I agree with you. Thanks. AJ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-5840290025233901432018-03-28T20:47:04.911-02:302018-03-28T20:47:04.911-02:30AJ, you are right to say things are relative, and ...AJ, you are right to say things are relative, and most all are, but for Peng2 to use that to diminish the value of 10, 15 or a 100 million........he is playing the statistics game, and you can confuse an argument with numbers. Trump says what a windfall for the AJ by his tax plan, saving of 1000 dollars or 2000 dollars, a lot of money he says. This guy pays 130,000 to shut a woman, and profits 100s of millions by changes to the inheritance avoidance loophole now........so a game by Peng" like Trump.<br /> That a tradesman works at MFs, and makes double his regular pay say, and the percentage of his cost of MF total being only say 0.0000001 of 1 percent, or some very small figure of the total. Yet I have heard a few tradesmen say they did`t give a F--K about whether this project was good or not, as they profited. More or less take it when you can get it.<br /> Now to say that is meaningless sum as compared to what foreign company made in profit: Not meaningless......it goes right to the core of why this this project proceeded ......too many did not give a F--K........until the consequences bite them.<br /> JFK said : Ask not what your country can do for you, but what can do for your country. To many of our follow Nflders take the short term view and take what they can get regardless what damage it does to our country and province. <br /> Peng2 can dance and wiggle on his numbers game, but as Ray Guy wrote : when the mosquito spit into the ocean, he said `every bit helps`. So it is with the 1000 dollars or 1 million dollar and 10 million dollars. When dishing out 200 million a day on interest , every dollar counts, or it should. <br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81160858156808116162018-03-24T14:21:34.012-02:302018-03-24T14:21:34.012-02:30Yes, all $ are relative. Glad to see you PENG2 use...Yes, all $ are relative. Glad to see you PENG2 use that comparison, in terms of a millions vs. A billion. Puts things in prospective, at least. After reading this blog for a year or so, I was beginning to see so many $ numbers thrown around, without any relative meaning, that it was among one of my first comments to this blog, was making that comparison with a million vs.a billion. Think ihink it was Maurice, asked my to clarify my comment, which I thanked him for and refined it. I was commenting as annon: or some times as Joe blow, and other times as average Joe, now AJ. Guess the average Joe doesn't have too many million in their personal bank occount. Companies do, and maybe some do now as a tesult of muskrat, because there are a lot of million in a billion, a 1000, and 10 times as many in 10 $ billion. So everything is relative, do hope all those that profited big from muskrat, they deserved every penny others wise hope Leblanc will point it out. Thanks everyone, Joe blow, or AJ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-46336313952724814122018-03-24T09:55:34.796-02:302018-03-24T09:55:34.796-02:30AG and PF:
You both need to reread what I said an...AG and PF:<br /><br />You both need to reread what I said and not misquote--I never 1x tried to minimize, just put in perspective what was being discussed and to correct a statement by PF that NL companies were major contractors at MF.<br /><br />As I also said, without knowing how a contractor is paid (ie fixed cost line item under the prime, out of scope TM, direct to owner etc) it becomes a redundant conservation especially when trying to determine cost to a rate payer.<br /><br />As I said and difficult to understand; try to conceptualize the time required to count to 1B vs 1M - at 1 sec per digit it is 31yrs vs 12days.<br /><br />I stand by what I said initially - 1-3% is not a major contractor at MF, no matter what the dollar value is; maybe big for NL companies but minor none the less in total scope.<br /><br />Also, I have never 1x suggested MF was a good idea to start - even back in 2006 when 70% of the NL populace wanted it, so what side of the fence were you on then?<br /><br />PENG2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-28744616278666736112018-03-24T08:50:48.710-02:302018-03-24T08:50:48.710-02:30I notice Peng2 made no reply to PF, who challenged...I notice Peng2 made no reply to PF, who challenged him, when he stated 200 million dollars is nothing, as only 3 percent of MF generation asset cost,and goes further to say equal to a penny on a dollar, so 1 percent. Is that the thinking that permitted 100 million waste on the DOME etc that was useless and scrapped? No big deal, penny to the dollar , eh, boy, the ratepayer is good for it. 100 million, a long term care facility.....or the DOME, One a good asset lasting 75 years, the other, no value, a complete waste, instantly scraped<br /> Wish you could drag back that statement, Peng2, or defend it more?<br />AGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-79197921627645170402018-03-24T04:18:00.514-02:302018-03-24T04:18:00.514-02:30No not Bruno - just recently started posting. Thi...No not Bruno - just recently started posting. Think I'll add <br />something to my "anon" profile to lessen all the confusion with<br />so many anonymous posters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-51052373939541850572018-03-23T10:39:54.222-02:302018-03-23T10:39:54.222-02:30Tuesday's Budget
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canad...Tuesday's Budget<br /><br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dwight-ball-steady-as-she-goes-2018-budget-1.4586295<br /><br />Alberta is balancing its Budget based on speculated revenues from unbuilt pipelines<br />NS on Pot Revenues, as yet unrealized + Oil price speculation<br />Ball on "Carbon offsets" from sewage treatment, and Bull Arm deal???Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-62919473072585582772018-03-23T08:29:50.910-02:302018-03-23T08:29:50.910-02:30Is that you Bruno, now anon?
PFIs that you Bruno, now anon?<br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-87208840851976781882018-03-23T05:25:09.401-02:302018-03-23T05:25:09.401-02:3022:03 Quote: "It would make a nice buffer f...22:03 Quote: "It would make a nice buffer for more wind generation and also buy time for other generators to ramp up if Holyrood goes down or another other generation asset. I think it would be great for increasing the reliability of the grid."<br /><br />Precisely its function now in Australia. Musk said it would have<br />cost his company $50 million had he lost his bet to deliver on time.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-33536386103608410942018-03-23T02:07:43.357-02:302018-03-23T02:07:43.357-02:30Peng2, there was a time, not so long ago, that 200...Peng2, there was a time, not so long ago, that 200 million could buy 20 Sprung boondoggles, or 20 Clarenville size hospitals. Now 200 million is only 3 percent of 6.5 billion!<br />12.7 billion :some dollar, 200 million , some penny. More of the same from you.<br /> Of course it is good that Nfld companies get work, and it is true that most spent is outside the province. But Cahill was a lapdog waiting for their bone, and 15 million profit is no chicken feed. And if they opposed Muskrat, would they be allowed to get any work on the project? Remember the Rooms?<br /> Those promoting this fiasco has sold out the province, No?<br />They were rewarded for their promotion and support. <br /> Did they know what they were doing to support MFs? Did they care? I heard too many say they did not care as long as they made a buck........a buck to them 15 million, a buck to you just 200 million, because just 3 percent. Lies and damn lies!<br /> Think you can balance our budget?<br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-86158614346720012622018-03-23T00:20:17.942-02:302018-03-23T00:20:17.942-02:30Yes Joe Blow, it can be coonfusing; did we really ...Yes Joe Blow, it can be coonfusing; did we really need offshore wind, or the Maritime Link? Not likely, but if there , now try to justify it. Problem is all the various approaches should have been discussed by engineers and studied well before now, and as Phil says 3 million spent on looking at the Island Isolated and hundreds of millions to study MF and never got it right. And other things ignored or buried, and finally surfacing here saying there were better ways.<br /> Some 800 MW of extra hydro on the island, when totalled is no small amount.<br /> It should be criminal what has transpired.<br />WAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-45397013294793554112018-03-22T22:03:32.707-02:302018-03-22T22:03:32.707-02:30That battery stores a total of 129 MWh of energy a...That battery stores a total of 129 MWh of energy and can deliver 100MW of power so it could be charged from empty in 90 minutes, or discharged. You wouldn't be fully discharging it either so it is no use (far too small) for averaging out the water flows due to the upper Churchill operations. It would make a nice buffer for more wind generation and also buy time for other generators to ramp up if Holyrood goes down or another other generation asset. I think it would be great for increasing the reliability of the grid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-24442120454822828242018-03-22T21:25:52.829-02:302018-03-22T21:25:52.829-02:30Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro commissioned a stu...Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro commissioned a study in 1986 to conduct an inventory of the potential small hydro resources and found a total of 850 MW in small hydro schemes available on the island that could be connected to the existing power grid. Of this, 172 MW supplied by 22 plants had very good cost/benefit ratios -- i.e. they would likely economical. The report was written by SHAWMONT NEWFOUNDLAND LIMITED, the same engineering firm that built the Bay d'Espoir hydroelectric power station.<br /><br />Grzegorz PrndlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-10875700828009344132018-03-22T20:22:06.334-02:302018-03-22T20:22:06.334-02:30Probably we should bring in
https://www.theverge....Probably we should bring in<br /><br />https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/1/16723186/elon-musk-battery-launched-south-australiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-12108903395396517472018-03-22T19:24:27.091-02:302018-03-22T19:24:27.091-02:30Phil, were you part of Shawmont when the island in...Phil, were you part of Shawmont when the island inventory report was produced? http://www.nlcpr.com/SmallHydro.php<br /><br />Any idea why it was never readily available? It was very old before it was gifted to the MUN library and seldom talked about.<br /><br />There is a scanned copy minus the topographic maps of the Shawmont report here: http://www.nlcpr.com/NewfoundlandSmallHydro.pdf with an original copy available at the MUN library (Newfoundland Studies).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-29242599942895853142018-03-22T18:36:38.599-02:302018-03-22T18:36:38.599-02:30Hi Peng2,
I definitely put that one on the owner ...Hi Peng2,<br /><br />I definitely put that one on the owner of the project. Astaldi surely did their best to estimate the project. Also, they surely not had access to everyone else's proposal to realize how far they were and see that as a red flag.<br /><br />The one responsible for that is clearly the project owner who had all the numbers to put next to each others and who should have know that when a price is too low, you investigate it instead of jumping on it.Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-3368859239559345512018-03-22T15:47:46.410-02:302018-03-22T15:47:46.410-02:30PF:
Not sure why your are misquoting me(please re...PF:<br /><br />Not sure why your are misquoting me(please reread above)-I never tried to minimize or make light of a 'only' $150M contract. I don't know the Cahill contract well-are they direct to Nalcor, subbed under Andritz as a line item, fixed rate, TM, is the value really $150M etc; these are the details that tend to make these discussion irrelevant.<br /><br />What I said was that $127M was 1% of $12.7B and NL contractors werent major players at MF considering the scope of MF, maybe big for individual NL firms getting $100M work, but small there none the less. Even if we consider only the dam at ~$6.5B, $200M 'only' amounts to 3%-I believe the applicable phrase is "stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny"? My statement of NL companies not being major players at MF stands.<br /><br />In any event, assuming there was $15M profit on Cahills contract, as a tax payer I am glad it went there(ie locally) instead of another foreign sub-contractor brought in by the foreign prime.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-87602235463042287692018-03-22T15:15:05.885-02:302018-03-22T15:15:05.885-02:30Omg PF, nope ray is not back. But I comment on thi...Omg PF, nope ray is not back. But I comment on this blog every day and sometimes half dozen times a day, sometimes as Joe blow. No don't think there is anything wrong with small hydro, especially if the rates are cheap as you indicated. But my point was, for the little bit of power we need, do we have to introduce so many variations, especially like the maratime link. The main point being made on the muskrat - Goose Bay a couple of postings ago. When you add big things, then it drives the rates up. But I try and add a little humor sometimes, like if you ask any 5 engineers the same question, you will get at least 6 different answers, or maybe more. And some of my best friends are engineers. LolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-15584833293907178022018-03-22T15:12:31.833-02:302018-03-22T15:12:31.833-02:30Come to think of it, 15 million is almost 3 times ...Come to think of it, 15 million is almost 3 times as much as the Gravy Man , Ed Martin , the 6 million dollar man , walked away with!<br /> So Peng2, statistics .....lies and damn lies they say, when you minimize the profit by saying only 1 percent....is that your game?<br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81903737523496864412018-03-22T15:03:55.186-02:302018-03-22T15:03:55.186-02:30I was told by a worker that they had no drill bits...I was told by a worker that they had no drill bits, no suitable places to plug in for a power tool, that no one knew what they were doing, but white hats all over the place, Nalcor and the Italian contractor.........little productivity. Special form work came and no one knew how to put it together .that sort of thing.<br /> And allowing Cahill made 10 percent profit on 150 million, gives 15 million.........why not promote MF as a good thing. 1 % of a boondoggle is not bad , Eh? <br /> PF Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-23352647979521548862018-03-22T14:53:17.972-02:302018-03-22T14:53:17.972-02:30Hercules34:
Good point.
I would ask PF(and other...Hercules34:<br /><br />Good point.<br /><br />I would ask PF(and others for a comment on this) as a followup from #3 in my posting above-would you lay this at the contractor (who probably took advantage of owner during the bidding process) or a poorly equipped owners team?<br /><br />PENG2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-80743839989226048422018-03-22T14:36:38.033-02:302018-03-22T14:36:38.033-02:30Hi Rant Guy
Well no, not all but most of these wo...Hi Rant Guy<br /> Well no, not all but most of these would have prevented the boondoggle. The combination of alternatives were never studied because they would have been least cost, and kept rates stable. <br /> Is 75 Mw of hydro small? Petty Hr I think is 14 MW . Nfld Power has a dozen that adds up to 100 Mw, and produce power at about 3 cent cost. Now the old one at Victoria, near Carbonear was 0.5MW , and is now shut down ..........that is small by todays standard.<br /> Guess you like mega projects that turn to boondoggles........but fear to give your name, right? At least I use a indicator.<br />PF <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com