tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post7256886976412106860..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: IS RATE MITIGATION EVEN POSSIBLE AFTER MUSKRAT?Des Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger135125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-46456677658870601642018-05-15T11:57:49.586-02:302018-05-15T11:57:49.586-02:30To anon 19:01
Nobody talks about UC actually beco...To anon 19:01<br /><br />Nobody talks about UC actually becoming a stranded asset (ie denied access to markets - that would be utter non-sense and will never happen).<br /><br />Discussion covers current electricity markets, and at what price CFLCo will want to sell its hydro past 2041. It can sell to HQ, or directly to the US/Ontario/NB (and pay the pre-set wheeling fees using the HQ grid) <br /><br />HQ being overwhelmed with surpluses, it will definitely not pay over market prices. And even so, HQ would require new markets to absorb its surpluses - otherwise this hydro would get wasted (which is already happening). <br /><br />Eric<br /><br />Ex-Military Engr<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-53251968427468727752018-05-14T21:58:23.054-02:302018-05-14T21:58:23.054-02:30Etienne,
My comment about being the worse treated...Etienne,<br /> My comment about being the worse treated colony had barely left my keyboard when I realized it was not correct. I was sure someone would correct me, and I welcome your correction.<br /> I have read of British atrocities against African countries and others, and treatment of Nfld pales in comparison. I was thinking more so in terms of Nfld being of English and Irish stock and still treated badly. Indeed many British benefited and became rich from the slave trade, but we learn mostly of the USA mistreatment. <br /> And the Beothic also, by our ancestors, I am well aware , and a shameful part of our history, and sometimes wonder if our bad luck is a Beothic curse.<br /> I too seek a better explanation of why we have not progressed more , as you point out. The pirate Peter Easton easily coaxed Nflders to his trade, as preferable to the British navy, so maybe we have a problem that is inherent?<br /> I read of your Quiet Revolution in the 1960s, so maybe ours will come eventually. <br /> You suggest that if we followed Quebec's example......Indeed , I have suggested as much, and more so, that we should be one province, and we learn from your struggles. <br /> That I have said this before and not get substantial negative comments from Nflders, suggests that anti -Quebed feelings here are not near as much as you think.<br /> That much of our problem is St John's elite based, I think so, as rural Nfld put us into Confederation, not St Johns.<br />Winston Adams<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-34442914007226362152018-05-14T21:46:17.772-02:302018-05-14T21:46:17.772-02:30Public Works prior to Mulroney, was the Standard o...Public Works prior to Mulroney, was the Standard of Excellence in the Design and Construction industry. During the next 6-8 year period, the organization was "privatized", civil servants, mostly experienced Architects, Engineers, Project and Construction Managers were retired or sent packing. Gone were the CCDC standards of fairness in contract administration. Lobbyists were free to practice their chicanery, and "on time on budget" lost its luster.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59279141906892825142018-05-14T19:15:32.946-02:302018-05-14T19:15:32.946-02:30Winston: In answer to Heracles above you wrote:
&...Winston: In answer to Heracles above you wrote:<br /><br />"I have pointed out before that a century ago, Nfld Prime minister Bond negociated a free trade fishing agreement with the USA. Canada objected,and mother England sided with Canada against Nfld."<br /><br />Yes, and during this time period neither Quebec nor Iceland could sign any treaty with a foreign country. Strange that both societies are more educated and prosperous than NL is today.<br /><br /> And the foreign fleet desimated our cod and capelin, and did Canada seriously object to protect our fishery, least we get hurt?"<br /><br />To repeat a point I have repeatedly made here, Iceland, a separate country with less than half of Newfoundland's population, somehow succeeded in protecting its fisheries. <br /><br />"and from 1949 to 2016 we never had a single judge on the Supreme Court, so what clout did we ever have?" <br /><br />A judge's job is to interpret the law, NOT favor their home province. Meaning: The presence of a Supreme Court judge from Newfoundland would not have changed the outcome of any of the judicial challenges NL lost.<br /><br />As for political clout more generally...err, you do know that Newfoundland, and Atlantic Canada more generally, is quite OVER-represented in the Senate, right? (with 30 seats, Atlantic Canada has more Senate seats than Quebec, which like Ontario has 24, despite Quebec having well over three times Atlantic Canada's population). Nothing new under the sun: since 1949, NL has *always* had a share of Senate seats quite in excess of its share of Canada's population. <br /><br />I have already mentioned the relevance of Iceland to Newfoundland, but I think I need to add a key point: Quebec, Iceland and Newfoundland were all social and economic backwaters in the mid-twentieth century. Quebec and Iceland have somehow managed to progress far more than Newfoundland has. Yet what do Quebec and Iceland otherwise have in common? Very little.<br /><br />Meaning: if both of those societies managed to climb their way out of ignorance and poverty, and Newfoundland has not, it is likelier (Occam's razor) that the reason lies in something specific to Newfoundland.<br /><br />The suggestion I made earlier here at Uncle Gnarley's -that Newfoundland identity is perceived in a very negative light by Newfoundlanders themselves- may or may not be the correct answer. I have many fine and wonderful qualities (and am willing to discuss these if anyone wishes to), but I am not infallible.<br /><br />But I am convinced that such an explanation, *with Newfoundland as its focus*, is required if the contrast between the post-1950 history of Iceland and Quebec, on the one hand, and the post-1950 history of Newfoundland, on the other, is to be explained. <br /><br />Most proposed explanations I have seen here -regarding political corruption, voter apathy, lack of available information -strike me as descriptions of symptoms of a problem, rather than attempts at zeroing in upon and identifying the actual problem which generates all these symptoms.<br />Etiennenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-32240878272857356112018-05-14T18:17:33.366-02:302018-05-14T18:17:33.366-02:30I definitely don't work at PWGSC, but I can te...I definitely don't work at PWGSC, but I can tell you this National Shipbuilding Program is something, to say the least. (From old buddies, still in uniform, procurement side...) <br /><br />Keep following this Vice-Admiral Mark Norman file, we might learn some interesting stories.<br /><br />Ex-Military Engr<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-15799194137398682512018-05-14T18:00:35.442-02:302018-05-14T18:00:35.442-02:30Winston: In answer to me above you wrote that
&qu...Winston: In answer to me above you wrote that<br /><br />"We were the first British colony and perhaps treated the worst"<br /><br />Are you serious? Compared to the fate of the indigenous peoples of North America and Australia, of the Afrikaners, the Acadians, the non-white inhabitants of the British West Indies, the Irish, the Highland Scots, and scores of others, Newfoundland was well-treated indeed. Life was indeed harsh...but was it any worse than the average English farmer or fisherman's? <br /><br />The Beothuk might gently remind you that Newfoundland was not exactly a passive victim...if they had not been thoroughly exterminated by your ancestors, that is. <br /><br />I think Heracles is too generous with you: you do not live in the past. You live in a purely fictional past, one which supplies you and (I fear) too many of your fellow Newfoundlanders with a ready-made narrative which allows you to explain away all of Newfoundland's problems: Newfoundland is and always has been a poor helpless victim, to a unique and unheard-of degree, so let's sit back and do nothing except cry together in self-pity, because what can we do?<br /><br />I used to think that the rampant anti-Quebec hysteria in Newfoundland was nothing more than a cheap ploy by your Townie elite to keep ordinary Newfoundlanders' attention distracted while they went on sucking the province dry (the various court challenges to the Churchill Falls contract, for instance, are a nice example of money transferred from the average Newfoundland taxpayer to various legal firms, to give an obvious example: indeed in some ways one could argue they served as a template for more large-scale wealth transfer schemes across social classes, such as MF for instance), but Heracles' comment above, to the effect that Quebec's history under British overlordship hasn't exactly been a bed of roses either, makes me wonder: could (perhaps only some of) the Anti-Quebec sentiment in Newfoundland be due to Quebec casting a shadow upon Newfoundland's fictional narrative? After all, this narrative takes it as axiomatic that Newfoundland, on account of its past, is powerless to change its future. Yet Quebec, whose francophone inhabitants were, a century ago, as poor and as little-educated as Newfoundlanders, has managed to turn into a far richer and better-educated province today. This might suggest to Newfoundlanders that perhaps you are not quite so helpless, that perhaps resistance is not quite so futile as your Townie Elite would have you believe, that if you followed Quebec's example you might -NO. Unthinkable. UNTHINKABLE. Quebec is corrupt, Quebec is evil, Quebec is an unspeakable Frenchie Other (INSERT HORROR MOVIE MUSIC THEME HERE) which is NOTHING LIKE sweet innocent victimized morally pure little us. <br /><br />Whew! That was close!<br /> Etiennenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59621903806851013102018-05-14T17:28:49.249-02:302018-05-14T17:28:49.249-02:30Good on yuh Ex-Mil.
Independent audits of Contrac...Good on yuh Ex-Mil.<br /><br />Independent audits of Contracts, would catch a lot of skullduggery and crooks. Project Management, Construction Management, EPC, Design Build, PPP, Government Contracts sure bring out the worst kind of corruption. <br /><br />The recent contract awarded by Gov'mt to IBM, without Public Tender is a case in point. The Shipyard contract is another. No doubt you have had similar experiences, having found out the fake and false claims by suppliers/contractors, and had due diligence silenced.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-6664102869325532572018-05-14T15:48:02.247-02:302018-05-14T15:48:02.247-02:30Actually, I really appreciated that the Quebec ant...Actually, I really appreciated that the Quebec anti-corruption cops did their jobs, and pursued Porter (among others) up to the very end. (Follow the money they said...)<br /><br />From my own professional community (private or gvt, spanning all across Canada), I can tell you that fraudulent activities like those are definitely not restricted to Quebec. <br /><br />So far, a couple of jurisdictions had the guts to tackle big time the problem. I wish there would be more. (Believe me, I'm doing my part)<br /><br />Ex-Military Engr<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-10575386496301770882018-05-14T15:13:45.876-02:302018-05-14T15:13:45.876-02:30This was the same Porter, who was appointed for a ...This was the same Porter, who was appointed for a time as CIS oversight by a brilliant PM of the day, who also guaranteed the MF. Certain VIPs of SNC-Lavalin at the time, were practicing project management for the Ghadafi family. Was Porter also involved with Muskrat, and will some of this come out in the Inquiry?Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-5358759960858057052018-05-14T15:04:39.353-02:302018-05-14T15:04:39.353-02:30Hi Ex-Mil
With your QC base, what do you make of ...Hi Ex-Mil<br /><br />With your QC base, what do you make of what was going down, about the time of the Mtl Hospital scandal and Muskrat were moved forward?<br /><br />The 2004-2011 tenure of Arthur Porter, a politically active Montreal physician, as the hospital's CEO attracted extensive media scrutiny which intensified when it was revealed that he had received $22.5 million in consulting fees from SNC-Lavalin. After receiving these payments, Porter awarded the firm with a $1.3 billion contract related to the construction of the hospital. These dealings were found to be in violation of the Quebec Health Act, and along with the emergence of other questionable business activities undertaken by Porter, led to calls for his resignation. Nevertheless, the hospital's board of directors came out in support of Porter, who, in light of mounting media and public pressure, voluntarily resigned on December 5, 2011.[14][15]<br /><br />Further investigation of the case by Quebec anti-corruption investigators resulted in allegations to the involvement of SNC-Lavilin and health centre employees in fraud and forgery. The investigators then issued a warrant for Porter's arrest on February 27, 2013, on charges of fraud, conspiracy, breach of trust, taking secret commissions and money laundering. Porter had since left Canada, and was apprehended by INTERPOL agents with his wife in Panama, where he remained imprisoned awaiting extradition to Canada.[14][15]<br /><br />Porter died just before midnight on June 30, 2015, at a cancer hospital in Panama. His death was announced on July 1, 2015.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-6681824261722612662018-05-14T14:19:21.187-02:302018-05-14T14:19:21.187-02:30Thanks Winston. And I reiterate our great apprecia...Thanks Winston. And I reiterate our great appreciation of your contributions. You are always caring, balanced and very knowledgeable -> including in heat pump technology ;-)<br /><br />I wished everyone had your character.<br /><br />-----------------------------------------------<br /><br />I agree that I'm kind a pain in the A relating this LG.<br /><br />My current (Fed) field of work (for about 20 years now) is about management accountability, control effectiveness, operation efficiency and yes, above all, risks management. Also, about 15% of my work is alongside (or for) the Auditor General of Canada office. I do the exact same work as the OAG, but for a specific Fed Department.<br /><br />Around here, we have no patience for irresponsibility, accountability avoidance, gross incompetence and fraud. <br /><br />So that concept of MF debt forgiveness really gets to me as total non-sense. I guess I got a bias due to my work, and I might gain in obtaining more forgiveness /caring characteristics.<br /><br />Ex-Military Engr<br />(using another PC)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11808416437073831652018-05-14T11:48:17.199-02:302018-05-14T11:48:17.199-02:30I thought that may be the case, and I and others v...I thought that may be the case, and I and others value your input here, and that you know some here were vocal about the high risks early on and were, and still largely ignored.<br /> So, the Feds too had to be aware of these risks. Not only Nalcor but the Feds ignored the naysayers here, who understood the technical and financial and other risks. A few naysayers here, publicaly stated, wrote and made presentations about the risks and knew, as did HQ, that MFs was a big gamble that would be a failure.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-10465587298284671252018-05-14T11:37:21.305-02:302018-05-14T11:37:21.305-02:30J--us Ch---t!!! We're in worse shape than I th...J--us Ch---t!!! We're in worse shape than I thought.<br />Someone has to take the bull by the horns and stop this utter madness.Waynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-60109559073221064592018-05-14T10:46:42.765-02:302018-05-14T10:46:42.765-02:30And thanks to Bernard, I also learned a lot more o...And thanks to Bernard, I also learned a lot more on the financial risks taken by HQ for UC (interest rates + US/CAN exchange rates guarentees etc)Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-57017212637920794712018-05-14T09:32:12.177-02:302018-05-14T09:32:12.177-02:30Actually Winston, back then I definitely did not f...Actually Winston, back then I definitely did not follow the technical merits of this particular project, nor was aware of the magnitude of the risks.<br /><br />I only followed this project from a distance, via mainstream media's.<br /><br />So yes, "I'm guilty" ;-).<br />I did not look into, nor was aware of those excessive project risks at the time.<br /><br />If you read my comments here (only started reading / participating in UG about what, 18 months ago?), you'll see that my contributions were centered on the 1969 UC contract, its logics and its win - win aspects. (As I had read a few court decisions backgrounder).<br /><br />I only learned here (thanks to Heracled) that HQ was fully aware of the boondoggle in preparation... Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-46546403681721288572018-05-14T01:39:37.407-02:302018-05-14T01:39:37.407-02:30Ex- Military, you say "the excessive projects...Ex- Military, you say "the excessive projects risks was not brought up/perceived by anyone, not publicly anyways"<br /> Surely you would not lie to UG readers, and must be an error on your part, as many publicaly stated the risks, some cited many risks , some a few. I mainly on the impact of future reduced energy use use to heat pump technology, 3 pieces printed in the Telegram paper, prior to sanction, whether that qualifies for being public? Also presentations on the same to the PUB, is that public.<br /> Some others, especially Vardy, raised many more risks in public. <br />Perhaps your long drive dulled your recollection, or your were not so engaged back then in MFs? As a fellow engineer, I give you the benefit of doubt as to why you would make such a statement that is false, and ask you to explain.<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-5519824652196542072018-05-14T00:45:53.708-02:302018-05-14T00:45:53.708-02:30Sorry guys, was away a couple of hours (drove from...Sorry guys, was away a couple of hours (drove from Montréal to Gatineau).<br />-------------------------<br /><br />At the time of the first LG, even Quebec was somewhat fooled. We figured that if MF was to go ahead, it would get constructed as intended and would end up dumping "subsized " power in the already depressed US market. That LG also explicitly favored the Anglo-Saxon route. We complained, and were told to f...o..<br /><br />We just saw the LG as an unfair subsidy that would further decrease MF hydro costs. <br /><br />The excessive projet risks was not brought up / perceived by anyone then, not publicly anyways.<br /><br />I suspect the Feds smelled the risks (at least part of them) later on, as the LG contract took sometime to get finalized.<br /><br />Clauses were added (at the first or the second LG?) that in case of default, $ would be collected via increasing rates. (Were there any other default clauses?)<br /><br />What's the point of having a contract (expressly to include default clauses) if you're not to apply it? Because you failed to properly assess the risk of failure? That doesn't make any senses. <br /><br />At one point in my DND life, I was involved in acquiring properties. We included dozens of clauses to protect our asses. Sometime due diligence was rather minimal (rushed to close the file), but all those clauses were still bullet proof, no matter what.<br />Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-1960828499938021732018-05-14T00:24:49.258-02:302018-05-14T00:24:49.258-02:30Hi again Winston,
Nobody is living in a paradise ...Hi again Winston,<br /><br />Nobody is living in a paradise down here... Quebec and everyone else had their own lot of trouble over the course of history. As I mentioned in another post, the only thing that is as important as knowing your history is not to live in it and honestly, I am pretty sure Newfoundland -IS- living in its past.<br /><br />For how long did the French citizens in Quebec have been oppressed by the English minority ? I do not have a precise timeline about this, but be sure it was for a very long while. This past is over and we are now in the present, looking for the future. Despite this past, it has always be very important for me to learn English and still today, I keep learning and practicing it.<br /><br />Feds told you all about the risks associated with the guarantees and still Newfoundland chose to go with it. Nobody pushed you. HQ told you the actual price tag and you rejected them just because it did not fit your mind. So did SNC in their report that was discarded.<br /><br />About presence in the Supreme Court. Quebec has 3 seats guaranteed because our legal system is based on civil law instead of common law. So the court must have some expertise about this different system and in these courts, you must always have an uneven number. A single one would not offer any opportunity for different opinions. Two is even, so three is the minimum and that is why we have them. What is different in Newfoundland legal system for it to require a special presence ? Tell me how many judges were from Saskatchewan , Manitoba or Prince Edward Island ? As of now, none of the judges are from these provinces, or from NB or NS.<br /><br />Newfoundland is not only living in its past, it seems to suffer from the dwarf syndrom, the one depicted in the kid story I already wrote about, the Frog and the Ox. At the end, the Frog is the only one puffing itself beyond limits. Everyone else told the Frog to stop but there was nothing to do.<br /><br />Newfoundland puffed itself beyond its limit and it bursted... What can we do about it now ? We can not go in the past. We can not pretend it was anyone else and just pay for you. That would open the door to all kind of mis-management and negligence as Ex-mil illustrated with his project of summer olympic in Montreal. That ended up as a gigantic white elephant but at the end, we paid for it ourselves. Time to Newfoundland to pay for its own elephant now.<br /><br />To help someone, you must not shield him from the consequences of his own mistakes. If shielded from them, he will not learn and will repeat it again. There are no difference between Peckford Pickle Palace and Muskrat Falls. That is the evidence that with MF, Newfoundland just repeated the same mistakes because lessons were not learned.<br /><br />Hope this time, you have been hit hard enough to learn it while not too hard for not surviving it.Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-14283998606913385202018-05-13T23:57:43.860-02:302018-05-13T23:57:43.860-02:30Heracles, some of your opinions are solid, some ar...Heracles, some of your opinions are solid, some are silly, I suggest.<br /> You say in the past external authorities prevented us from doing wrong and hurting ourself. I have pointed out before that a century ago, Nfld Prime minister Bond negociated a free trade fishing agreement with the USA. Canada objected,and mother England sided with Canada against Nfld. Doubt if Quebec sided with Nfld? Were they preventing Nfld from hurting itself then? And the foreign fleet desimated our cod and capelin, and did Canada seriously object to protect our fishery, least we get hurt? Just a couple of examples that being small in population , our sovereignity means little, and from 1949 to 2016 we never had a single judge on the Supreme Court, so what clout did we ever have? Not excuses for this boondoggle, but desperate people may do desperate things, and no friend hands him a rope to hang himself, as you suggest. We are a small cog in a big wheel, with too few patriots as was Bond, who in 1894 put his money to back a loan to save our government here.We have too many politicians who take for personal gain, rather than for the public good. Our history is a complex one, and you simplify it as if we are on a suicide mission, so let the Feds give us the rope. Do you think maybe you are a bit mean spirited here, maybe due to not understanding our history sufficiently? <br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-76216809942721837672018-05-13T22:23:59.630-02:302018-05-13T22:23:59.630-02:30All written by ex military, Waldo boy. Cheers, ave...All written by ex military, Waldo boy. Cheers, average Joe...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-75841152048712209742018-05-13T22:21:14.055-02:302018-05-13T22:21:14.055-02:30Heracles, a CNN on Nfld Anthony Bordain in 15 minu...Heracles, a CNN on Nfld Anthony Bordain in 15 minutes.....as you have not been here, suggest you watch, hope if does justice to our scenery etc.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-26594771150940124262018-05-13T22:12:34.564-02:302018-05-13T22:12:34.564-02:30Actually they both make such sense that even AJ ca...Actually they both make such sense that even AJ can understand, I thinkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-75249425062241170532018-05-13T21:51:24.664-02:302018-05-13T21:51:24.664-02:30There you are Winston, you have your answer. What...There you are Winston, you have your answer. What a pile of bull shit, taliking to you, both of them, as though you were a in kindergarten. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-42701331459729932712018-05-13T21:39:01.362-02:302018-05-13T21:39:01.362-02:30So you go to your Dad (or Mom) and say gee I'd...So you go to your Dad (or Mom) and say gee I'd like to buy that house (or car, or horse. or university degree). Your parents love you, and even though you've been a jerk, cursing them when they don't give you what you want, throwing prone-on-the-carpet temper tantrums, and you have demonstrated that you have no concept of fiscal realities, they co-sign that loan for you. You, being the immature person that you are, blow the loan and have nothing to show for it except more debt. Your parents are co-liable for the debt and your Dad (and/or Mom) has to work past retirement to pay for your debt, while you go off some new tangent that likewise has no economic reality, like maybe chopping down trees to make wood chips, or catching caplin to the determent of the seafood chain, or catching the last goddamn salmon in your rivers cause it's you "God-given right". <br />Now in the case of the Federal LG, NL yelled and screamed that they wanted to build this dam because it would make them feel big and important, and would also allow them to kick their big brother QC in the knee. The Feds said to the banks, yeah they are a bit immature to take on this dam, but they've told us that they can do it and we really don't want to be snooping around their bedroom. So banks here's the deal, says Ottawa, we'll let them use our credit rating, but the debts all theirs. <br /><br />So UG, Winston, Wayne, Waldo/AJ, etc. where does the FL agreement state that Ottawa owes us anything? They didn't give us the credit card, they just said NL is good for the debt, as NL requested. If the debt goes on the federal credit card what are you willing to sell off to repay?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11515049088304619482018-05-13T21:27:01.811-02:302018-05-13T21:27:01.811-02:30Hi WInston,
As I wrote in a few post already, thi...Hi WInston,<br /><br />As I wrote in a few post already, this question goes down to Newfoundland sovereignty, because this is the direct consequence of your sovereignty and what you ask for is to ensure an overlord will always be on watch, will supervise you and will tell you what you can and what you can not do.<br /><br />In fact, in the past, that very situation happened a few times where external authorities prevented you from doing wrong and Newfoundland only complained about it.<br /><br />When one is to bad about huring himself, you are down with two choices : take his freedom or let him hurt himself until he as enough. In the past, Feds and others prevented you from hurting yourself and you were not happy at all about it. One day or another, it was inevitable that you would manage to hurt yourself that bad.<br /><br />That day is now.<br /><br />Still, it is not too late for that very choice, the choice of being sovereign or not. If you want to keep your sovereignty, than keep working out how to get out if this fiasco while in control of your destiny.<br /><br />If you would rather loose your sovereignty, it is not too late and by doing so now, you will be freed from that loan and the entire fiasco.Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.com