tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post8215421199999340412..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: MUSKRAT FALLS COALITION GIVES FIRST REPORTDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-10321932208047345372018-06-02T01:42:25.189-02:302018-06-02T01:42:25.189-02:30Hello Winston,
I also believe we should not incre...Hello Winston,<br /><br />I also believe we should not increase rates to the point of inducing an energy conservation shift.<br /><br />That would get us further into a "diminishing returns" zone, making marginal increases of revenues insufficient versus the damage to NL competitivenes.<br /><br />Such damage would be even more unwarranted if it just results into additional surplus/unsold hydro. <br /><br />------------------------<br /><br />Now, I definitely don't subscribe to the idea of you falsely of promoting HPs etc.<br /><br />We all could sense your "engineering" fascination to achieve optimal energy efficiency via HP, and get the best bang for the buck invested. I actually share the same fascination, so I definitely hear you on this.<br /><br />I recall that about a year ago I asked which brand of HP you would recommended, and you directed me to this Gvt of NS site. (So you definitely did not attemp to promote any of your products - if you happened to sell any)<br /><br />I suspect Heracles meant there could have been an "appearance" of possible conflict of interest - which via a very strict definition, could be said.<br /><br />But we all know that it is not the case in reality.<br /><br />Take care Winston. We enjoy all of your contributions.Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-22084690757732085932018-06-01T20:19:54.158-02:302018-06-01T20:19:54.158-02:30Ex Military
Heracles is kind of right you say:
He...Ex Military<br /> Heracles is kind of right you say:<br />Heracles lists 2 reasons why reducing electrical consumption is good, and then assumes he has covered all the bases on that, to move on to his preferred conclusion. Now as to incentives for conservation, notice I say we're moving to rates levels soon where incentives will not be needed ( unless one wants a more robust reduction and savings on heat bills), and which would not be a total waste I submit.<br /> In my prior analysis (I will get you links) I stated 9 reasons for benefits of energy conservation. Following Heracles comment,(and searching for my PUB submissions of the past, I came across a 25 page report by Ireland , as to conservation for house energy, and they add a few reasons different from mine, but valid here, so about a dozen reasons. <br /> Now on the other point, Heracles accuses me falsely of promoting HPs , that I sell or install them, so make my comments here to financily benefit. Is he kind of right there? He is an IT guy, information technology, so how did he go wrong there? I await his reply.<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-84874558091741065802018-06-01T17:28:03.536-02:302018-06-01T17:28:03.536-02:30Heracles is kind of right here.
A. About $15B has...Heracles is kind of right here.<br /><br />A. About $15B has been sunk in MF - so that's gone. This debt must be dealt with. (via the most effective way possible, with the least damage to NL's economy/competiveness). Increasing rates might be an efficient way to recover some of the moneys, but not necessarily so. It has to be assessed against other means, like selling assets, increasing taxes, decreasing/align gvt spendings to decent level etc. <br /><br />B. NL (will) also have an x amount of hydro to sell. An optimum rate will have be determined that ensures maximum revenues, while minimising impacts on the economy (and taking into account demand elasticity / eventual diminishing return etc.)<br /><br />Any government subsidies/grant program toward energy conservation (via HP and what not) would be a total waste of precious capital money. There are no points to save electricity if this results into surplus/unsold hydro. Ex-Military Engrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15209511368820589727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-72623142725225433682018-05-31T20:28:36.174-02:302018-05-31T20:28:36.174-02:30Have to try and have a sence of humor, Joe, even i...Have to try and have a sence of humor, Joe, even if dark humor. as you see, I have not finalized plans yet. And if George dies, then need plan B.<br /> But I like the dog treatment, and many ways dogs now pampered more than humans, and die better. Our first Lab, my wife arranged for the vet put down, and she asured me it was swift and painless with an injection that tops the heart. So, 15 yers later and Lab no 2, the vet came toour house and I got the nerve to stay and watch, and : not a twitch and a few seconds , maybe 15. Could you ask for more? Compare that to restraints in along term care home. They don't call it long for no reason, so long and torture. If they don't tie you down, they destroy your mind and body with drugs that cost 10 cent each , so much cheaper than minimum wage workers. <br /> So, a vet seems good. Now if restraints drop to 1 percent intead of 14, and psycho drugs drops to 5 percent instead of 38, I might, but only might, reconsider. THey are working on a plan, but o details, and I'm not getting any younger, and now the House is closed for the summer,and just hope it gets passed quicker than the MFs rate mitigation plan. Hard times Joe.<br />Cheers<br />Winston PS: very small turnout for Critical Condition. Got to be our culture. Much like the PUB hearings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-89310315884232148832018-05-31T15:28:44.619-02:302018-05-31T15:28:44.619-02:30Lol Winston, know what you mean...but I had an eld...Lol Winston, know what you mean...but I had an elderly uncle, that had it all set up and arranged, to have lets say, George to shoot him when the time came. The only problem was George died first. Lol. But I notice you said someone, or maybe anyone, so it could be more definite that your wishes will be executed as detailed. Take care, and keep on trucken' , says, Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-83014676303944437502018-05-31T15:09:10.181-02:302018-05-31T15:09:10.181-02:30This to remind readers of our 3 billion a year hea...This to remind readers of our 3 billion a year health care cost: tonight public forum :Critical ConditionHosted by Anthony Germain, Bruneau Centre MUN , ^;30 to * pm<br /> Can watch on CBC Nl Facebook, or CBC NL you tube channel . Can email :mystory@cbc.ca re your concern , issues or questions.<br /><br /> Health care, already bad, and, in some respects near third world care, sure to suffer further from MFs fallout. ong term care: physical restraints used 14.2 % of patients, Canada 6.5 %, antipsychotic drug used on long term care, 38.3 %, Canada 21.9 %<br /> When I'm ready, someone please put me away, without pain, like we did with our old Labrador retriever, with mercy, in 30 seconds, gone.<br />Winston Adams<br />Winston Adams<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-89377397444480256472018-05-31T10:40:02.181-02:302018-05-31T10:40:02.181-02:30Thanks Joe. It made me smile. There's a catchy...Thanks Joe. It made me smile. There's a catchy song "Like a Rock" by the BOSS, I wonder. Of course, "these people" implied Nflders in general. Now I would not hold that comment or Heracles against French people in general, and more just disappointed in Heracles, that may have sourced some misinformation and went with it. <br /> But i will challenge his logic further, soon.<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-70516501642024405372018-05-31T09:44:03.979-02:302018-05-31T09:44:03.979-02:30Winston , here is my crude translation, sure other...Winston , here is my crude translation, sure others can correct me, especially the author, or if my daughter were here she would translate it correctly, as she is a French teacher. " it is a waste of time Hercules, to try and reason with these people, same as trying to reason with a rock". Cheers, average Joe. Lol, funny anyway!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-4863878339743870972018-05-31T08:39:04.066-02:302018-05-31T08:39:04.066-02:30Sorry for my ignorance of French language, but cou...Sorry for my ignorance of French language, but could you translate your comment. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-5077237734752554292018-05-31T02:20:04.620-02:302018-05-31T02:20:04.620-02:30C'est une perte de temps Heracles, à essayer d...C'est une perte de temps Heracles, à essayer de raisonner ces gens c'est comme essayer de raisonner avec un rocher.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-63183666479805749462018-05-30T23:00:54.873-02:302018-05-30T23:00:54.873-02:30Heracles, almost missed your comment. Disappointed...Heracles, almost missed your comment. Disappointed, seeing I invited you to Nfld for a visit and a chat over a coffee that you make false statements against me, and to which Anon at 19:02 jumped in to imply I should be banned.<br />1. You say I "preach" heat pumps because I install them to benefit my own business. False, and if you do it intentionally then you lie.<br /> I did install one for a friend in 1994, so 24 years ago. I installed one for my cottage about 8 years ago, which I monitor now for over a year, and preach a bit about 300.00 a year plus tax in heating costs which is true. This monitoring is very time consuming, and in 2012 I monitored a bit before that to present evidence to the PUB and to the PUB again in 2015.<br /> I do not install them, nor sell them , or advertise them,and make no money whatsoever from them, and regular readers here know that. You take away from any opinion you present when you make fake news.<br /> 2. The debate over Efficiency programs is a complex one, but Military Engineer gets it when one looks at diminishing returns from rates too high, and it destroys the economy. Manitoba struggled with this and brought in a modest Efficiency program. A change over to HPs take a decade, but also shifts the MFs burden more to the taxpayer instead of the ratepayer.<br />And you seem to not understand human nature to think people are foolish enough to pay 17 or 23 cent power to save the boondoggle. Many can and will go to efficiency, and not just heat pumps. The law of elasticity, as said by Dave Vardy.<br /> All houses in Nfld can go HPs for about 1.5 billion with a good return in saving, so it makes sense. It made much more sense prior to Mfs sanction, but still makes sense.<br /> As to keeping money in the province that was an angle used by MFs promoters, and money in fact going to Quebec, 2 billion, Ontario , 2 billion, Italy , about 2 billion, others to China and Turkey and the USA, and then the bond holders money going out for decades in interest payments. As to HPS, yes made in Asia, with steel , copper and nickel etc , much coming from Nfld raw resources, made into Hps then saving Nflders 30,000.00 per family over 15 years at 23 cent power rates. Not bad.<br /> HPs are like refrigerators, soon , with power hikes, everyone will want one. No selling or promotion needed. Soon not incentives needed, as they have an awesome savings on heat cost , especially for our climate. This is hardly debatable any more. Just a few years ago someone would ask , What is a heat pump? <br /> Hamburg, Germany is now banning older diesel fuel cars and trucks. Better technology and efficiency is the future, even with Bombardier, which I admire, but I do not sell them either.<br />Being wasteful with electricity in Quebec makes sense at power rates of 8 cents, and here even with 10 cents, but not any longer. Unfortunate we need to invest twice, but MFs is not an investment. Hps are.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-72230832503878262172018-05-28T19:07:58.011-02:302018-05-28T19:07:58.011-02:30Well said Heracles31, yet again... votre logique e...Well said Heracles31, yet again... votre logique est indiscutable...<br /><br />Like I said before, NLers could've bought UC power from HQ for pennies until 2041. Instead the hot-headed Williams and colossally naive Dunderdale foolishly attempted to salvage the pride of a duped generation of NLers by doing an end-run around Quebec, and thereby inflicting irreparable damage on the fiscal stability of an entire province, and saddling generations of NLers with untenable levels of debt for the MRF fiasco. <br /><br />Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face... <br /><br />On another note, if there are shills out there using this blog to promote heat pumps or similar contraptions for their own personal financial benefit, then the moderator should ban them from posting any such one-sided commentary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-21536888544200172282018-05-28T16:56:44.698-02:302018-05-28T16:56:44.698-02:30Hi Winston,
You are right when you say that 2 wro...Hi Winston,<br /><br />You are right when you say that 2 wrongs do not make 1 right. Where you are wrong is that a program for efficiency would be an extra wrong that would not deliver any right. <br /><br />The sole purpose of efficiency is to reduce consumption.<br /><br />The two benefits from reduced consumption is a reduced amount of power that you need to produce and a lower amount to pay because you used less.<br /><br />The thing is, with MF, you can not reduced either. The production and transport infrastructures are built. The flooding of MF's reservoir is done. So the capacity to produce and transport has been built and it is too late to avoid them and the associated cost.<br /><br />As for the reduced amount to pay, MF must be paid for no matter what. Like D. Vardy said in a previous post, the only thing that could be worst than the actual MF would be to pay twice for it. You have to pay for it once, no matter what. Are you really so willing to pay for it a second time by funding an efficiency program ?<br /><br />You preach for your own business because you install these pumps. Still, you have to understand that the benefit associated with the product you sell is true only at an individual level. If a single guy do it, then yes, he will save. But once you installed one pump in everyone's house, none of your client will end up with any saving because the government will negate your effort. The government must collect the money required to pay for MF and if you prevent them from collecting it thanks to the quantity of power Newfoundlanders consumme, they will do it with the rate, with a different tax or in any way they wish, but they will do it.<br /><br />Should you wish to consider an even larger picture, you will realize that your efficiency program would cost more to Newfoundland than anything else. The reason is that the pump you installed were manufactured outside of Newfoundland. So the money associated with the cost of the pump leave Newfoundland and spin someone else economy. Because every Newfoundlander will have to pay the same amount for MF, better to pay it all locally and keep all that money locally.<br /><br />Newfoundland chose to pay the big price to end up with a surplus of power similar to the one we have in Quebec. As you said, two wrongs do not turn in one right. We have way too much power to the point we waste it at very low cost and price. No need for you to do the same. Better to buy your electricity from HQ to reduce our surplus than making a surplus of your own...Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-79223763796673651272018-05-28T14:39:34.597-02:302018-05-28T14:39:34.597-02:30Robert:
I have no idea if personnel files exists-...Robert:<br /><br />I have no idea if personnel files exists-I doubt if a personnel file typical of most larger organizations exists though, and there were dismissals/non-renewed contracts for performance reasons. The performance review matrix (ie org chart) and base rates ranges for employee classes etc has already been released 2 yrs ago, granted not updated since.<br /><br />For what Grant Thorton has-they would have the base rate invoiced to Nalcor for each contractor and totals under each contract, and then depending on the source of the contractor they would have varying amounts of info, they don't necessarily have the wage of each contractor. For contractors sourced from engineering companies (~20%), Nalcor wouldn't have much info except what the base rate was; for contractors sourced from recruiting companies (~70%), the info Nalcor has would vary depending on the recruiting company and the persons relationship with the recruiter, the contractors status with the recruiter (employee, sole, fixed term, how often they worked together, recruiter-contractor perks etc). Then there are the Nalcor employees (~10%) that Nalcor would have full details on.<br /><br />I am not sure how government could compel the contractor to provide the info-salaries/wages paid by recruiters/engineering companies wouldn't be subject to Atippa, only the base/unit charge rates would be and that would be the same as for other government contracts---any contractor doing work for the government would provide unit rates, but not the actual wages paid to the employee.<br /><br />I just don't understand how knowing what a specific contracted Manager billed at (say $1500/day as per Atippa releases, I will ignore the claims of $250/hr as they are blatantly false) will help the comparison to a specific Manager under the Nalcor Hay plan (say equivalent of Hay Level 17 at $180k/yr for 1850hrs exclusive of burdens). I think the way the proposed info release seems to be going will cause more confusion than there is now-what needs to come out is numbers such that a $ vs $ comparison can be done on---and I did hear Paul Lane last week claiming there was a contractor working 16hrs/day for 365days, this is also nonsense. So we all know the math, 3200hrs/yr is a 21-7 schedule at 13hrs/day, pretty normal in construction.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-38345150949915259182018-05-28T01:02:36.557-02:302018-05-28T01:02:36.557-02:30Anon, it will take 10 or 12 years for most homes ...Anon, it will take 10 or 12 years for most homes to convert over, even at a robust rate. Those first in can expect to take 5 or 6 years for payback, once rates double the payback is 3 years. A typical house saves would cost 7000 and save 15 ,000 over 15 years, which will be 30,000 saved when rates double. A few sheckles you suggest! Most install a 4000 unit which supplies 70 percent of their needs, the main areas.<br /> Count you out, that is good as you pay the high rates and save nothing on heat, so you help the failing economic case for MF,to try to keep demand high. See how long you pay those rates before saying uncle. Guess you keep your money earning 1 percent. Blaming those fools and culprits will not keep you warm on this rock, and those fools will have HPs for their houses here, and HPs with AC in Florida. Of course HPs here give AC also, good for a month in summer.<br />Winston<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-35551597909516416362018-05-27T21:12:28.931-02:302018-05-27T21:12:28.931-02:30If ALL rate-payers just refused to pay their elect...If ALL rate-payers just refused to pay their electric bill, or only paid a token portion in protest.. what could NL Power do? Cut everyone off.? And thereby sever their revenue stream? Not likely.<br /><br />If you want an effective "swarm", social media will make it possible to organize a boycott of electricity bill payments when such rates reach a certain critical rate. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-50608290683172429842018-05-27T20:59:34.477-02:302018-05-27T20:59:34.477-02:30Yes b'y... wer all gonna install $10k HP syste...Yes b'y... wer all gonna install $10k HP systems and huddle in our homes, bundled up like bloody astronauts, stinking of BO so we can save a few lousy shekles on hot water to offset the horrendous cost of living on this godforsaken, sub-Arctic rock? Governed by a bunch of dimwitted partisan fools and dodgy culprits who spend half their time living off our tax dollars in Florida??<br /><br />You can count me out...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-9543820178485491202018-05-27T20:30:58.660-02:302018-05-27T20:30:58.660-02:30When quality cold climate Hps are installed using...When quality cold climate Hps are installed using best methods, a reduction from 65 % or more on heating costs should be expected. Ad an investment, It should give a return I would think of over 10 percent , and maybe 15 percent, as compared to 1 percent in a bank savings account , or 8 percent permitted to the power companies to earn. The return gets greater a s the rates go up. It does not negate the shafting of MF, but two wrongs don't make a right, and I suggest it is wrong and also dumb not to invest is very cost effective energy savings.<br /> And 3 wrongs would be to allow govn to pass the carbon tax to the polluter sector, as disquised as the environmental croud. It should go to homeowners to help them save and further reduce energy sue. Soon that will be a done deal too with residents missing the boat,ignoring the back room boys and gals at work.<br /> WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-23278559410425498022018-05-27T19:04:54.967-02:302018-05-27T19:04:54.967-02:30There is no offset when NL Hydro has a take or pay...There is no offset when NL Hydro has a take or pay contract for all of the power and energy that Muskrat delivers. What you don't pay through rates you will have to pay through additional taxes and reduced services. As well you will have to pay for your heat pump and whatever other energy saving items that you choose. The bottom line is that we have been given the royal shaft from the promoters and approvers of the Muskrat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-72690541202191706632018-05-27T11:53:40.683-02:302018-05-27T11:53:40.683-02:30The longer-term costs of installing heat pumps to ...The longer-term costs of installing heat pumps to offset doubled electricity bills and increased taxes for rate mitigation will likely be greater than the costs of relocating to provinces that can deliver competent, democratic governance at lower rates of taxation. <br /><br />Consider that when you're planning for your retirement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-32844179474938866332018-05-27T11:25:50.421-02:302018-05-27T11:25:50.421-02:30After reading these exchanges I looked at my cryst...After reading these exchanges I looked at my crystal ball and it showed me the future. Taxes will indeed be raised on everyone to pay for Muskrat, as will the power rates. But look for a provincial power bill tax credit to be offered, one claimant per household. Government will be desperate to offer taxpayers a little sugar for their bitter tea and this is a possible solution. See Ontario for the proof!<br /><br />With a tax credit, those who reduce electricity consumption will get less tax incentive rebate while generous energy consumers like Levy Payer will get some extra money back. In total, everyone must chip in and pay substantially more in the future, it's just a question of degree and depends on where you might fall in the future tax scheme. <br /><br />The way tax credits typically work, they appear more useful than they actually are so I'll choose the heat pump as it's the only practical alternative for my city house and I expect I'll pay less combined power and tax cost than if I don't. <br /><br />The reality is not everyone will do this and the more that don't makes it better for me if it lessens future rate increases. Nonetheless, any talk of saying individuals should not reduce their electricity usage for the greater good is ridiculous. Self-interest is far too strong a motivator and completely rational. The notion that people would not change their consumption, is entirely irrational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-31056219864907589222018-05-27T10:46:01.899-02:302018-05-27T10:46:01.899-02:30Yes Joe , you size up the generational differences...Yes Joe , you size up the generational differences very well. We bloggers, or who comment , are perhaps a bit like the wise elders in aboriginal society, or see ourselves that way, except few listen to us, so we talk to each other, about 1 percent.<br /> A few years ago now, I said people will only get upset once high rates are a reality. That is what happened in NS, and people got riled up, and not happened here even yet, so no swarming .<br /> Nothing brings people to attention like stiff cost increases. Gas is now about 6 dollars a gallon, imagine if we are to go to the pumps tomorrow and it is 12 dollars. People now line up to save 2 cents a liter, less than 2 percent, or use a point card to save 1 percent. The fall out will hit when power rates make the shock rate ..consecutive rares of 10 percent a year. They think they are smart to bring in 9 percent on July 1 and another 9 on next Jan 1, as it it 2 different year, but only 6 months actually, so 18 percent they aim for,and Nfld Power aiming to tack on another 3 percent.<br /> By the time the other generation types wake up, they will wonder what hit, and why no one informed them. Never heard of Uncle Gnarley or Average Joe they will say.....but lets swarm now that the deed is done, as they will be all pissed off and whining. <br />Winston <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-79117897383193770942018-05-27T10:24:48.369-02:302018-05-27T10:24:48.369-02:30Heracles, I say the HP reduction of energy use on...Heracles, I say the HP reduction of energy use on the island means more available to ship to NS, only in the context that we have contacts that we are told must be filled with our island energy. (Cabot Martin says this could be broken , maybe)<br /> My preference is that MF be put on ICE as UG suggested 2 years ago, and since then, and even now with 9.2 billion spent, and likely to go to 15, means close to 6 billion more to throw away on the boondoggle, that can't even pay the operating costs.<br /> So if no MF power , or if very little as you suggest, that reduction of demand on the island is essential even for our own needs, or keep Holyrood running much of the winter.<br /> If MF don't operate and we get some recall power coming to the island, it helps a little but not enough for NS and ourselves, so power use reduction here is essential. The opposite view is that we get some 800 MW coming over the DC line in winter, if it goes as originally planned, (which is unlikely), and that satisfies the island and NS contracts and almost no need for Holyrood. That needs 23 cent rates, which destroys the economy, or 17 cent (plus other taxes or spending reductions) hoping elasticity effect don't drive down consumption to reduce revenue. <br /> Levy Payer may say he will crank up his heat to spend 1000 a month even if it breaks him. That is what Nalcor and the govn expects people to do, to suck up those rates, and when you are broke, or near it, your power gets disconnected, and you are no longer warm. So Levy will indeed spend 4000 to install a HP, and not go broke and stay warm. If Levy is not rich , any LEVY tax will hit him less. The existing levy taxes are much higher on the high earners, and that is how it should be. If need be Nfld would have to sell assets as you say, or roll over the CF contract for a decade or two, but first should come reduced spending by our government (rationalization private business might call it) Or , we could keep borrowing and go bankrupt,our current path. Maybe some wonderful deal will happen with HQ powering all of the Atlantic provinces, and they take over running the power assets.....but not aware of efforts in that direction.<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-58320650031763487712018-05-27T09:26:32.247-02:302018-05-27T09:26:32.247-02:30Here's what i intend to do; When Muskrat hits...Here's what i intend to do; When Muskrat hits us, I will crank up the heaters and have it nice and warm. The $1000.00/month bill may break me but i'll be warm as opposed to being cold with my $400.00/month bill and gov.nl coming for the $600.00 "savings" in a new "Muskrat Levy". Remember, they can't steal the same dollar twice.Levy Payerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10196300514529410225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-44432644170032874312018-05-27T09:25:52.377-02:302018-05-27T09:25:52.377-02:30Winston , Tor and others, that mentioned SWARM, an...Winston , Tor and others, that mentioned SWARM, and generations. Nope Winston and Tor we can't do that we are the boomers, not certain about Tor. Here is a quick lesson in generations, and the years vary slightly. Boomers - the builders - talk- words - the bloggers born before 1960. GenXers - the doers Tv - pictures, born between 60 - 80's. MIllennials the adapters - precious- baby on board - tweeters etc. born between 80 and 2000. So we can't do swarms on this blog, most of us are boomers. We may engage 1 per cent of the population because we have to explain to each individual, that's who we are. The GenXers but especially the millennials now they know technology they grew up with it, they know how to do it, the doers and adapters. They can organize a swarm, they may even use a different word. And, I think this can only be done at a critical time, like when hydro rates go up, and you are freezing in the dark. Like maybe this January or maybe next January. And if you don't believe me, Google Mary Donohue, or maybe others, and she will explain it all. Cheers, Joe blow, AJ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com