tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post8633801309578842697..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: PREMIER SHOULD SEIZE ON BETTER SOLUTION FOR POWER RATESDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-40158143465714750432018-08-13T08:27:17.184-02:302018-08-13T08:27:17.184-02:30Yes Heracles, Take or Pay problem was spelled out ...Yes Heracles, Take or Pay problem was spelled out on the Vision2041 blog and by others 6 years ago, good to see you catching up on that logic.<br />That a separate channel will need to be set up, as increasing rates without limits, as electricity sales keep dropping will not work. This is the logic of "You can't get blood from a turnip" or also elasticity. Good you now understand that. Economist Wade Locke missed this as very important.But he only heads up MUN economics dept, so we can't expect much there, can we?<br /> That Nfld cannot get out of this by itself seems likely, so a separate channel for that too, maybe the Feds, maybe a Quebec assistance win win, maybe tightening the belt here, or a combination of several things.<br /> Meanwhile logic says consumers will not wait political solutions for that before they switch to HPs, wood etc. The law of the turnip is logical, and customers are not that stun to do nothing and wait the miracle of mitigation. So for them, Take and Pay is secondary, but must be solved.<br />PF<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-13316740110287533082018-08-13T01:41:08.879-02:302018-08-13T01:41:08.879-02:30Hi PF,
No need to make HP or wood illegal :-)
Wh...Hi PF,<br /><br />No need to make HP or wood illegal :-)<br /><br />What is important to understand is that HP - wood - similar are not and can not be the solution to the MF fiasco. The common error is this :<br />--MF will increase the power rate by a big margin<br />--So the power bill will increase in the same way<br />--Power rate being fixed, the only way to mitigate the increase is to reduce the amount of power taken<br />--The largest part of the power consummed by residential is for heating<br />--So reduce the amount of power you need to heat your place<br />--And that way, MF's impact is now mitigated<br /><br />The error in that logic is that MF comes with a Take-Or-Pay contract. No matter you take the power or not, you must pay for it in both cases. Once the power consumption is reduced too low, either the power rate will be increased to restore the power bill to high enough, or a separate channel, not related to power, will be created as a kind of tax.<br /><br />Newfoundland can not survive that Take-Or-Pay contract. There is not enough cash in the province for that. Actually, with such a structural deficit, there was not enough money in the province even before MF. Because MF basically double the amount of money the government needs, it is clear that there is no way for Newfoundland to get out of this by itself.<br /><br />Once Newfoundland is free from that contract and back on a sustainable basis. HP- wood - similar can return as very good options because the power they will save will translate in saved money instead of a new form of taxing.Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-82541179003266274212018-08-12T23:38:57.066-02:302018-08-12T23:38:57.066-02:30Of course, HPs are a threat to Anon, who is right....Of course, HPs are a threat to Anon, who is right. But consider: they are still electric and use 40 % of the electricity that baseboards do, according to Feehan. Not bad enough, Adams mounted it in the attic and used only 25 % as compared to baseboard.<br /> But what of wood pellet stoves,anon? They have a fan using just 100 watts. So whereas a minisplit uses about 2kw instead of 6 kw, a pellet stove used 0.1kw. So that got to go, too. That is 20 times worse than minisplits as to reducing electricity. And worse still is wood stoves. No electricity at all! We must absolutely ban anything burning pellets or wood. And damn the oil and propane users as well, all will destroy the business case for Muskrat.<br /> Now Adams was ignored by Wade Locke, and rightly so. Andy Wells did wrong to let him before the PUB, because then Vardy started talking HPs. Heracles tried his best to shut him out of UG. But low and below, Feehan let it loose with his recent report, for Browne and the PUB. <br /> Now, how to ban those things? It is now a real big problem. Those bloody heat pumps, they'll bankrupt the province, for sure. Fanatics, like Adams, Tree huggers, fear mongers as to climate change. All bull, we know, as that was fake news statred by China.<br /> Heat pumps must fall, just like Rhodes, or General Lee. A plague for this province. <br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-68580062251856943012018-08-12T22:19:33.975-02:302018-08-12T22:19:33.975-02:30Well done PF, you have frustrated, confused, outsm...Well done PF, you have frustrated, confused, outsmarted and demoralized the dam works of them. They no longer know left from right, up from down, sidewise to straight ahead, and the conversations have been turned completely on its head, as is obvious to anyone following for the past few months. The Take-or-pay will become as meaningless as the ABC campaign and the dire predictions of people leaving the island in droves. All is well that ends well says Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-6296742247705673152018-08-12T21:41:44.428-02:302018-08-12T21:41:44.428-02:30Whatever...Whatever...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-89859052678576418182018-08-12T21:05:15.374-02:302018-08-12T21:05:15.374-02:30So, outlaw minisplits. Jail those who use them. Ch...So, outlaw minisplits. Jail those who use them. Charge double rates for anyone using them,and low rates for baseboard heat. Use 8 cent rate for monster houses so they use more. Heat a garage with the door open and offer them 3 cent rates, all to keep consumption high. The options are endless. Bloody HPs, blow them up. It is HPs not DW we should blame. And Adams at fault for exposing their benefit.<br />PF Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-47343864964887534472018-08-12T19:48:21.820-02:302018-08-12T19:48:21.820-02:30PF, thank you for clearly demonstrating the validi...PF, thank you for clearly demonstrating the validity of my comment, as lamentably unfortunate as its premise is... Anon 10:26. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-4872194900618105972018-08-12T19:17:12.089-02:302018-08-12T19:17:12.089-02:30Anon @ 10;26, man do you hate HPs to refer to them...Anon @ 10;26, man do you hate HPs to refer to them as bloody. They offer about 10 times the efficiency as fuel burned at Holyrood, and 3-4 times that of baseboard heaters. Now who would hate that. Hmmm, lets see, maybe Nalcor or Nfld Hydro people, or Nfld Power or especially Fortis shareholders. or even vendors of oil or propane.<br /> As to the well meaning of Heracles, he says Nflders should get hurt big time by this fiasco.<br /> As to a side topic, for a long time it was, but now James Feehan confirms the power of the little minisplit to close Holyrood and to eliminate the need for MFs. So, a side topic no longer. Now at centre stage!<br />PFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81629173886628359332018-08-12T14:03:37.147-02:302018-08-12T14:03:37.147-02:30Joe, what a beautiful day at Bishop's Cove, wi...Joe, what a beautiful day at Bishop's Cove, with capelin,,cod, and whales,and then to leave that and head east, through St John's, so now at the town of Logy Bay. Last minute things to do: private service for blood test at home at 7am, then try like hell to get the result before days end, our flight being 5am Tuesday. This sometimes takes a week here, though the testing is automated and done in about 2 hours. If we go to the right place, and get lucky, and with some 5 pieces of ID, and if the staff not on holidays here, I may succeed. This can save me maybe 1000 dollars, to avoid repeating this at Anderson. At Anderson such test result gets posted to the internet, and we access it on our computer. So after 2 hours, when the doctor gets it, you get it at the same time, at your hotel on your ipad or iphone, or laptop. Here, you are put through hell and time and expense and need to navigate the system, if you can. It is hard and inefficient by design. So lately I found out they have Navigators here for that, to help a little. For the first 4 months I never knew they existed, and about a 6 weeks ago found where they hide.<br /> Yes, the General said I shall return. I will stick with will return, which my wife says is less certain than shall. That is fine, as who can be definite? I will return please God, if the plane don't crash. Or if I am not shot by some Texan as to Stand Your Ground. I shall not be packing heat myself. My last hand gun was about 1957, maybe Roy Rogers type, and my Paledin card I long ago lost. Now McAuthur would say shall, as he was equal to God, in his mind.<br /> Much to to tomorrow: including try and get tumor pathology slides from here to there. The only person here handling this was on holidays last week, so hopefully back tomorrow.This may have to go Purulator courier, as likely not permitted through customs, maybe fearing a chemical agent. Our last CT scan we have on a disk, so we can take that with us. Other medical information was already forwarded last week, reports from oncology, surgeons etc. One very important report, the Tumor Board note, they denies us access! <br /> One might do well as a small business here to help people travel outside for care, and Eastern Health offers no assistance, so you are on your own.<br /> Thanks for your sincere good wishes.<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-48299311144952797642018-08-12T10:26:36.659-02:302018-08-12T10:26:36.659-02:30Did the General not say, "I shall return"...Did the General not say, "I shall return", lol same meaning. But as the local schooner skipper said, "I always went and got, wherever they sond me" as he sailed his vessel world wide. Now what does that mean? Well, he was right to the point, but meant, "I carried on a world wide trade for my owners, and went whoever they had cargo, and a need to send their ship, and always returned home safely". So let it be with you and your loved ones, and you find the right treatment there. God speed. Cheers, average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55112902153248189072018-08-12T10:26:35.031-02:302018-08-12T10:26:35.031-02:30It is most unfortunate that, in the face of the in...It is most unfortunate that, in the face of the indisputable logic and rational argument put forth on this blog, there are those who still continue to harbour the bizarre notion that the solution to the looming fiscal disaster of the MRF fiasco is for all ratepayers to shoulder the additional excessive expense of installing a bloody heat pump. <br /><br />On an even more depressing note, it has become a waste of time for the well-meaning such as Heracles31 to try to reason with this group, as their dreamy misconceptions and obsessively perpetual sermonizing on what amounts to little more than a side-topic... appears to have prevented them from fully grasping the devestating reality of the MRF "Take-Or-Pay" scheme.<br /><br />Most unfortunate... most unfortunate indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-62141662886885418002018-08-12T10:01:59.360-02:302018-08-12T10:01:59.360-02:30Well Joe, you and I must be connected by the Spock...Well Joe, you and I must be connected by the Spock mind meld, as to the timing and thoughts. Rather strange.<br /> But here at my cottage at Quilty's Cove, capelin came to the beach this morning,(the first time in over 20 years) and my son and grandson got 9 nice cod just off Coopers Head in 20 minutes.<br /> Tomorrow I leave Nfld, fed up, but with hope. I am heading to the land of the free, Texas, and may see where Davy Crockett made the supreme sacrifice, and then was avenged by Sam Houston.<br /> But I go not really for sight seeing, but to the number one cancer hospital in America, Anderson: to try our luck and their world class expertise. Our 3 billion a year cost here gives poor results, thought some first class people. I say this from experience this past 8 months here. <br /> As General McAuthur said after the Japanese drove him out, in WW2, "I'll be back". I'll take my laptop that I keep abreast of UG, and, I understand they are are advanced enough that they may have internet there!<br />Cheers,<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-36882709579446404742018-08-12T09:39:52.528-02:302018-08-12T09:39:52.528-02:30Like the tobacco industry and climate change denie...Like the tobacco industry and climate change deniers, anon @ 14:25 does not say I am wrong but says I am more wrong than right, and sows doubt to others, this is their method, and they hide their identity, so what is their motive and qualification.<br />I await the response to items 1, 5 , 6 and 7.<br />Winston<br /> IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-56210211750420967842018-08-12T09:37:01.105-02:302018-08-12T09:37:01.105-02:30Ha Winston boy, annoy14:25 took on the wrong guy, ...Ha Winston boy, annoy14:25 took on the wrong guy, about HPs. He didn't know that you know more about heat pumps than the Germans know about Volkswagens. But of course he is allowed to think that, until he realizes he has no answers to your questions. But in a meantime we are all learning something, including anonymous. Keep on trucking and giving the public reliable information. Cheers, Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-18923808683244174202018-08-11T18:56:13.088-02:302018-08-11T18:56:13.088-02:30That you agree with 3 out of 7 is a start, so 43 %...That you agree with 3 out of 7 is a start, so 43 % <br />As to item 1, gnd source is best for coldest inland locations, and offers savings on hot water. Air source for space heat and hot water available but more expensive option. So most CCMSHP, yes<br /> So for most of Nfld , CCMSHP is best. Now you explain why this is wrong?<br />As to item 5: Take Charge says 12 years, USA studies, some say 18 years is a good estimate. If you do not use blue fin coating and near the salt water, corrosion may give less than 10 years. I think 15 years is economic in the sense that with continuous improvements in efficiency, about 20% over the last 10 years, that after 15 years it would make sense to replace them even if still working ok<br /> What issues of maintenance to you see that is regular needed ?<br /> Clarify why item 5 is inaccurate.<br />Items 6, lowest cost installed, anywhere, I have seen is 2500.00 for the smallest unit they make, and that on a contract involving over 100 units. Here for a 2 ton unit, 24,000 Btu heating at 47F, I see about 4000-4200, tax included,for CC models, sometimes a bit more.So your opinion likely personal opinion , you state nothing to support your view.<br />Item 7: Units can fail anytime .....is this not a fact?<br />many HPs have compressors with 7-10 year warranties , is this not a fact?<br /> 30 year life is possible: MSs on the go since 1983. First in Canada about 1991 and still operating, so 27 years. Why is 30 years not possible. Considerable fridges and freezers go to and exceed 30 years.<br /> Last item and Heracles: yes personal opinion, but Heracles says that any individual it is good for them to go HP. Wishful thinking that the Feds have responibility? Yes, on my wish list, that we save our CFs if possible. Some wishes come true. Some hope we lose it, maybe like Heracles.<br />WA Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-86063174415651180612018-08-11T15:14:49.717-02:302018-08-11T15:14:49.717-02:30Relax, the bitcoin driven Data crowd will eat up a...Relax, the bitcoin driven Data crowd will eat up any an all surplus expensive power;<br /><br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/great-north-data-muskrat-power-1.4780676<br /><br />Maybe some bright, (MUN Grads), out migration from the Avalon will actually move to Labrador and will become "Livyers", working in data centres.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-36492130186759658072018-08-11T14:49:04.441-02:302018-08-11T14:49:04.441-02:30oh Waldo.. still hitting your dog with that hammer...oh Waldo.. still hitting your dog with that hammer? I guess it makes as much sense as you last statementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59399710332743820722018-08-11T14:25:29.956-02:302018-08-11T14:25:29.956-02:30Your 1st, 5th, 6th, and 7th statements are persona...Your 1st, 5th, 6th, and 7th statements are personal opinions based merely on speculation and conjecture, therefore cannot in fact be "taken to the bank" as you've emphatically declared.<br /> <br />Additionally, your statement... "Heracles says that what you gain you lose by other means, this is an unknown, that I take with a big grain of salt." ... is again a personal opinion that actually smacks of wishful thinking and denial in the face of reasoned, logical arguments as to the facts of the matter regarding the "Take-Or-Pay" scheme contrived by the Williams/Dunderdale/Nalcor cabal.<br /><br />Other than that, your submission has a few valid points.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-60141397911978468562018-08-11T14:01:45.535-02:302018-08-11T14:01:45.535-02:30 Levy Payer, This blog continues to get misinforma... Levy Payer, This blog continues to get misinformation posted as to minisplits, needing correction against the fake news.<br />1. A most cost effective HP unit for most of Nfld is a minisplit (MSHP), but that is insufficient information.<br />2 It MUST be CCMSHP, not just the standard promoted by Take Charge, which will likely under perform, designed for south of Boston climate. CCMSHP are for our climate. <br />3 Types of CCMSHP can be found on Efficiency NS links.<br />4 CC means they are `Cold Climate`make and models<br />5 A good model and good installation, I assume 18 year life, and just clean the indoor filter about 4 times a year, and keep the outdoor unit from drifting over with snow, and protected reasonably from excess winds.<br />6 The low cost mentioned as to NB likely reflects an inferior model,and self install, not a cartel here. State the NB mfg and model number to know for sure, or if on the NS list.<br />7. Like your fridge, units can fail anytime, many have compressor warranties 7-10 years. 30 year life is possible. <br />These statements you can take to the bank. Heracles says that what you gain you lose by other means, this is an unknown, that I take with a big grain of salt. To the contrary, we need to move to a Green sustainable solution and avoid the waste of about 50 of electricity production by customer inefficiency. This needed by the planet and generation behind us.<br /> Alberta modelfor carbon tax is to have 500 dollars a year given back to households........we should demand that and more, not feeding that to the polluters, which is to the plan. Ratepayers should demand this reverse levy.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-307969396038390652018-08-11T12:41:23.237-02:302018-08-11T12:41:23.237-02:30If we won the lawsuit, guess who will end up payin...If we won the lawsuit, guess who will end up paying the bill if we stay here? We are in a no win situationWaynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-21628896572730645992018-08-11T12:30:15.276-02:302018-08-11T12:30:15.276-02:30Listen to Heracles31, he is exactly right.
You&#...Listen to Heracles31, he is exactly right. <br /><br />You'll be stuck paying for the over-inflated cost of a heat pump from the local heat pump cartels, and the more money you save on electricity, the more money the incompetents running the NL government will gouge back from you in the form of excessive taxes on gasoline, home heating fuel, income, "deficit levies", "carbon taxes", and any other means available, so that these bloody idiots can make up the shortfall in order to meet the financial thrall of the "Take-Or-Pay" MRF scheme. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-38655308154732066982018-08-11T12:17:59.062-02:302018-08-11T12:17:59.062-02:30Ratepayers should mount a class-action lawsuit aga...Ratepayers should mount a class-action lawsuit against both the NL and federal governments, as well as Nalcor/NL Hydro, for gross negligence and dereliction of duty. Passing legislation counter to the public good by barring oversight by the PUB is but one example of culpability by the NL government's foisting the Williams/Dunderdale Fiasco on to unwitting NL ratepayers...<br /><br />http://www.thetelegram.com/opinion/columnists/pam-frampton-nl-politics-through-the-looking-glass-232934/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-24039826099175609602018-08-11T12:14:16.853-02:302018-08-11T12:14:16.853-02:30Really? Ball on the wrong side of concern for the ...Really? Ball on the wrong side of concern for the environmental by polluters?<br /><br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/ball-no-carbon-tax-1.4780629<br /><br />Where is public opinion with respect to climate change and mitigating high carbon lifestyle? Fundamentally the planned close down of Holyrood Plant was known years ago to be the first to go. NL now a follower of hard right, Trump sponsored fossil fuel mentality?<br /><br />Very disappointing.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-67843202206696661802018-08-11T11:53:26.527-02:302018-08-11T11:53:26.527-02:30Hey Levy,
HP are basically like everything else. ...Hey Levy,<br /><br />HP are basically like everything else. There are good products and bad ones. It is true that a good product can reduce power consumption to the point of paying back for itself in a few years. They do require maintenance, but mostly cleaning and proper maintenance is not so expensive.<br /><br />Only problem for Newfoundland is that because of the Take-Or-Pay contract, there is no point saving power because whatever is saved (not taken) is still to be paid. Once free from that contract (and it is not as simple as cancelling it by law as suggested by someone in a post above), HP wll return to a very interesting option to consider.Heracles31https://www.blogger.com/profile/04598467925778515764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-75896376959703489432018-08-11T11:50:02.869-02:302018-08-11T11:50:02.869-02:30Speaking of levies, what's up with the vile &q...Speaking of levies, what's up with the vile "deficit levy" concocted by the Ball/Bennett government as a "temporary" measure so that the bloody NL government could manage to fund the payroll of it's horrendously bloated public service<br /><br />So when will this heinous "temporary" gouge on taxpayers finally be terminated? <br /><br />And why do such questions have to be posed by the victims of the Ball/Bennett gouge on private blogs like UG, when they should be posed directly to these bloody instigaters by a local media apparently no longer committed to exercising the most basic of jounalistic due diligence for the public it serves? <br /><br />WTF is up with that??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com