tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post2217986060281559421..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: ED MARTIN’S OVERDUE COMEUPPANCEDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-67930190078699676142018-12-16T18:23:12.717-03:302018-12-16T18:23:12.717-03:30PENG2, to continue our discussion back further on ...PENG2, to continue our discussion back further on NLP and CDM:<br /> Exhibit P-01640 page 1 refers to "an evaluation by Nfld Power to include an evaluation of the potential of Mini-split HPs in it's report, per PUB order PU13(2013)<br /> This exhibit P-01640 item 5.3 page 11 : "HP research". It says Nfld Power did an "energy use modeling". However, the NLP report for this is missing from the Inquiry Exhibits. So too is missing the PUB transcripts of discussion of this report, and also missing is an alternative MSHP evaluation. The NLP research was acknowledged as NOT AUTHORATIVE" by NLP. They showed virtually no demand reduction ability , while the other research showed HUGE DEMAND REDUCTION , and that was admitted by NLP to be a much better method and result. <br /> Strange that this supplemental data is missing from exhibits of the Inquiry, so not available to Inquiry lawyers interested in CDM options ignored.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-5326688415683413772018-12-16T17:18:05.331-03:302018-12-16T17:18:05.331-03:30As Bruneau so aptly put it, Winston. "It was ...As Bruneau so aptly put it, Winston. "It was my professional duty." I would hope that others like you and I can measure up. Engineers, as well as other professionals and non-professionals alike.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-7073578991135816162018-12-16T16:56:23.343-03:302018-12-16T16:56:23.343-03:30PENG2, agree that what is reasonable is the best s...PENG2, agree that what is reasonable is the best standard, often optimum is best practise, sometimes not, and agree that what was reasonable was ignored for Isolated Options.<br /> In the last CDM report filed with the PUB, the consultant stated all minisplits would fail in adverse weather. This almost slipped by me, except I noticed this explanation in a footnote, when not seeing Demand reduction on a chart. <br /> The consultant, ICF, said this was a "conservative assumption" and then countered it's own argument by saying St John's on the Avalon has a relatively mild average winter low temp , about -8C , so many units would be expected to stay running.<br /> Yet that approach permitted showing ZERO reduction on the grid peak.<br /> Johnson asked me "if I thought that the consultant was asked to make that statement, that way". Seems from this Inquiry that that approach is standard procedure. <br /> This issue was for a Nfld Power rate application, so power distributors yes, but seems to have most to say on CDM in the PUB hearings.<br /> Then too, their own MINI SPLIT Report, it took them 3 years to do, and when questioned by Tom Johnson if it was "authorative" Lorne Henderson of Nfld Power replied NO. Our public ratepayer money spent by them to do a fake report. And NO engineer put their name to it!<br /> If that report is not an Exhibit, it should be. <br />Winston <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-84166269179666402932018-12-16T16:32:10.376-03:302018-12-16T16:32:10.376-03:30So, everyone is afraid of the big bad wolf, DW, Na...So, everyone is afraid of the big bad wolf, DW, Nalcor, Dunderdale, even Fortis shareholders. Nfld Power and Nfld operations is now only about 5 % of their revenue. Even during this Inquiry they have lied low and asked no questions. Perhaps Fortis shareholders and BOT members are often one and the same? Jackbooots were in the suites said Andy Wells, and still Fortis and Nfld power stayed quiet. They more than stayed quiet, they endorsed the feeble CDM and misled customers on the many of the near useless CDM measures they promoted. For CDM , Nfld Power is the public face, on TV, the radio, and internet. They own it. Their input for a decade before the PUB is public record. Show us evidence of documents that they wanted to do more? Who are the people within Fortis who thought the project very bad? Marshall said he wouldn't touch it, but where was their critical analysis? If Steve Burneau could speak up and prepare papers on gas alternatives, why not Nfld Power and other MUN engineers? A feudal state as Bruno says?<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-60985166641789697942018-12-16T16:13:15.243-03:302018-12-16T16:13:15.243-03:30Right. Us islanders pay a heavier penalty for prog...Right. Us islanders pay a heavier penalty for progress.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-86750612998201681342018-12-16T16:11:32.037-03:302018-12-16T16:11:32.037-03:30Well intended reports, based on fact and logic are...Well intended reports, based on fact and logic are somewhat like Strategic Plans. Until there is commitment to the hard work necessary to bring change, it is just words. <br />Sad :-(Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41772001648487273772018-12-16T16:04:23.817-03:302018-12-16T16:04:23.817-03:30There were people within Fortis that though the pr...There were people within Fortis that though the project was very bad and that Nalcor was very incompetent. There was a decision to say nothing because of the fear that retaliation might adversely the shareholders. For example, Newfoundland Power publicly states they disagree with government, government modifies laws to harm them, shareholders get mad. I hope this gets explored.<br /><br />I also wonder who actually set the goals for TakeCharge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-39093541101544588022018-12-16T15:15:45.763-03:302018-12-16T15:15:45.763-03:30I think, Robert, that the saying "God helps t...I think, Robert, that the saying "God helps them who helps themselves" is a good one, much like like the Russian proverb, Trust but verify.<br /> Now if the public is disengaged and not angry at this crowd who enabled the boondoggle, and to assure changes are made to prevent such things in the future, then God will not do it for us. God is on the side of truth, and we will not get the full truth by being disengaged, and saying God help us. <br /> So to with Trust but Verify. We now see that little of what Nalcor said can be verified. False assumptions, opinions, and manipulation, not solid engineering nor best practises.<br /> And the capitalists god is too often the Almighty dollar. Martin walked with 6 million of them, for what seems a Ponzy scheme, and many bought into it, leaving the ratepayer holding the bag.<br /> Enough to turn your guts. Not only should one question how God operates, but I am even now questioning the reality of Santa.<br /> By the way, Ed mentioned that Nfld was unique with an isolated island grid,not having the benefits of interconnection, except for Hawaii too like that, he said. No one countered that false statement. What of all the Carabean islands? Cuba, Jamaica, St Martin, Bermuda, dozens of these, even the Turks where Fortis operates. Is Fortis planning links to the USA power grid? Would Fortis hire Martin? Does Stan Marshall seek his advise? <br />PF<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-28856368964856739582018-12-16T14:45:28.591-03:302018-12-16T14:45:28.591-03:30Our legal beagles get a chance tomorrow to questio...Our legal beagles get a chance tomorrow to question Nfld Power CEO. There is much to question, but as to CDM I would also question their poor CDM measures, that produce no meaningful savings to customer. The measures that just transfer extra load to the baseboard heaters in winter, and the whole 9 month heating season. <br /> I would ask him to acknowledge what these essentially useless measures are,when used for electric heat customers, and identify them one by one. Read them out from their consultants report: efficient devises such as LED lights, refridgrators, freezers, microwave ovens, TVs, computers, small electronics, stoves, more efficient motors in dishwasher or washers (the consultant report that we the ratepayers pay dearly for, lists this and more). Ask the CEO of Nfld Power to confirm this Interactive Effect is real, it just transfers saving on these to added load on heating. Also, That for them NOT to inform the customer is deceptive,it is not transparent, is it? Would you agree Mr CEO, this is fair statement? Yes or no?<br /> Then have him compare our CDM to NS, and our saving and reduction compared to them ( they knocking off 40 MW per year). <br /> And why have they not assisted customers with info and explain the benefit of COLD CLIMATE HPs. Even James Feehan cites that issue as important to this Inquiry. Why are the power companies lagging, not leading in informing customers. You laywers may not not another chance to question Nfld Power, make the most of it. And Fortis is a major contributor to GHGs and climate change. Yet they have hindered a sensible reduction of fuel burning at Holyrood, with poor CDM. THey advocate a go slow approach on carbon issues. Profits over principle. Shareholders benefits over customers benefits. State it like it is. The Grinches of Christmas includes Nfld Power. <br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81770088604310256602018-12-16T14:15:39.022-03:302018-12-16T14:15:39.022-03:30Yes, The Knights Report before Christmas. No doubt...Yes, The Knights Report before Christmas. No doubt if Knight knew the full goods on our island hydro and ideal climate for minisplits etc, to counter baseboard heat, he could have given Johnson much more to ponder. Wonder if he is following this inquiry from Vancover?<br /> Now to Tom Johnson's credit by 2015 he partially converted, when presented by evidence what CDM could do here. He wrote to the PUB that both Nfld Power and Nfld Hydro have FAILED in the Conservation Plan. He even called for incentives for minisplits, the Cold Climate models, I believe, so to reduce grid peak demand in winter. He noted that poor quality units, once installed, would be around for 15 years or so, so detrimental for demand reduction. But, too little , too late, NFLD POWER demolished that argument by saying that Tom produced no expert evidence as to his statements. I had suggested to Tom to have an efficiency consultant to back him up. Tom refused that. Nfld Power CEO, Gary Smith, boasted to me personally, at a Fortis AGM event, that Tom Johnson would not prevail to discredit the island conservation plan. I was later surprised to see him right. Andy Wells, and the PUB sided with Nfld Power.<br /> WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41606133399886797412018-12-16T14:02:03.893-03:302018-12-16T14:02:03.893-03:30Why is Dwight still permitted to blithely, and wit...Why is Dwight still permitted to blithely, and with that cheshire grin, obfuscate. Where is the current Cost to complete, including commissioning, Muskrat and related transmission assets. What is the current forecast for Revenues on this stranded asset? Time is up Liberals. Show your true colours, Blue Tory.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59192339900722023362018-12-16T13:53:25.621-03:302018-12-16T13:53:25.621-03:30Don't expect God listens to the plight of comf...Don't expect God listens to the plight of comfortable capitalists, duped by their own leaders!Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-15512547727219728362018-12-16T13:36:45.890-03:302018-12-16T13:36:45.890-03:30Evidence so far at the inquiry shows that there wa...Evidence so far at the inquiry shows that there was never any comparisons considered, just one option-the interconnected option. It was damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead, falsify whatever needs to be falsified, change whatever needs to be changed including minds and get it approved and built to the point of no return or redemption. God help the taxpayer/ratepayer of NL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-1612355725518377222018-12-16T13:30:49.095-03:302018-12-16T13:30:49.095-03:30Agree with you Winston, sitting on their duffs, ju...Agree with you Winston, sitting on their duffs, just in case someone may offend their client what asking a honest pertinent question. So maybe the commission should have just a half dozen lawyers, and only one to speak on behalf of all the boondoggle enablers. Agree the engineer that did the piece for UG on island options should be on the stand, to give some truth about the island lowest cost power, that nalcor and buddies clearly suppressed.<br /><br />'Twas the Knights Report before Christmas, and all throughout Leblanc's court,<br />The buggers were lying and flogging for sport.<br />They were Arrogant, Depective, Abusive, Transulent ...Defiant, all Grinches reindeers,<br />But all so apparent the boondoggle public privateers.<br />They rambled, misled, spent, behooved, the truth to spin,<br />But we the public, the commissioners and all to deceive and to win,<br />And if given the chance would do it all over again.<br />The buggers have no conseious, regrets, or remorse,<br />And the worst travesty ever inflected is par for the course. ( may be continued says average Joe)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-40083264630046389032018-12-16T13:17:00.678-03:302018-12-16T13:17:00.678-03:30How much restitution payment should we require NAL...How much restitution payment should we require NALCOR, (negative bonuses and dividends), to support the climate change fund? Suggest, $1m/year minimum. What could this benefit a low carbon initiative? Winter Solstice is Friday, how many solar GJ will St. John's collect by next December?Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-77230818410285285692018-12-16T13:09:02.351-03:302018-12-16T13:09:02.351-03:30Too much resource time is being expended to "...Too much resource time is being expended to "nail" the perpetrators of Muskrat. The damage is done. Let's get on with fixing the real problem; Bad climate change management and policy. Polluters must pay forward for the damage they continue to propagate. Low carbon development, or pay back society, and the grand children.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-77615736019642603732018-12-16T13:04:56.112-03:302018-12-16T13:04:56.112-03:30Just think of the possibilities, had the Plan revi...Just think of the possibilities, had the Plan reviewer for Galway had directed M. Williams to contribute to a Green Fund , (Say 15% of estimated construction costs), to offset the "Free polluting by carbon footprint" for the sprawl development? Such a climate change coordinator would have paid for his salary maybe 15 times over!!Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-61262420340131090042018-12-16T12:36:02.210-03:302018-12-16T12:36:02.210-03:30Anon 10:50
See what you started? Progressives are ...Anon 10:50<br />See what you started? Progressives are gaining in St. Jawns for ----st's sake!:-)<br /><br />https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/climate-change-coordinator-st-johns-1.4945980Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-82691188711176081762018-12-16T12:04:01.062-03:302018-12-16T12:04:01.062-03:30Joe, PENG2
Further from Knight:
Nfld Hydro 1986 st...Joe, PENG2<br />Further from Knight:<br />Nfld Hydro 1986 study by Shawmont : 196 small hydro sites on the island. 7 of these were actually considered in 1992/1993and costed about 10.2 cents per kwh in todays dollars. Knight says " it ommediately raised the question of why only 3 are considered for the the Isolated Option. Also no proper update on the cost of the island hydro was done, just esculated the cost from the past, so Nalcor did not compare apples with apples.<br /> I would note that an engineer (who did a piece for UG) wanted to be party to this Inquiry, ( he has much knowledge on island samll hydro) but Leblanc turned that down. Now Leblanc adds Ball and Coady, all lawyered up at public expence, to be party.<br /> I suspect the hidden truth of our small island hydro as a resource, is far more important than having another sitting and getting paid, but never asking any questions ,like most now doing likewise. <br /> Of 24 parties, 4 ask meaningful questions to get at the truth of the boondoggle, 2 are neutral, so 18 paid for nothing but to defend the interests of the boondoggle enablers. Now one more added.<br /> A ritual : Leblanc going through the long list of parties: "Do you have questions?" . Answer "NO"<br /> PENG2 called it "gong show"! Maybe he could elaborate.<br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-63787117083740573012018-12-16T11:46:10.599-03:302018-12-16T11:46:10.599-03:30Joe, PENG2
1. Knight does not say the Isolated Opt...Joe, PENG2<br />1. Knight does not say the Isolated Option is the least cost, but should have raised alarms for the Consumer Advocate, Nalcor, govn,the PUB and this Inquiry.<br />2. it notes that electric heat was the driving force for the forecasted demand, and we know Nalcor wanted to increase use of inefficient baseboard heat, which worsens winter peak demand driving a need for expensive additional supply. ( Joe, This is not best method for power companies to give customers least cost power)<br /> Efficient electric heat and other CDM was entirely omitted from analysis.<br />3. Knight stated "less information but more clarity in project definition would be good as"the material drowns out what is truly been proposed" . I suggest likewise with the Inquiry, millions of pages of info ( I have likely reviewed less than 1 %, but there are nuggets of critical info, and little gets before the public) . Information dumps by Nalcor was the norm, and unorganized. Knight says "Comprehensive documentation of the Isolated resource options" is recommended. <br />4. DSM (Demand Side Management , CDM ) was not evaluated. "It could have a measureable impact and it's bearing on the overall supply selection needs to be demonstrated.<br />5."Nalcors targeted data of Isolated options is SUSPECT as Portland Creek hydro is more financially attractive than than the Island Pond and a 25 MW wind power project<br />6. Future fuel prices has significant impact. (This we all know Joe, and CDM was a tool against that)<br />7. "Nalcor documents were in a piecemeal fashion, and key documents still being withheld, so had to do our own cost estimate".<br />8. Capacity critreria of 2.8 hrs loss of load, while may have been a optimum target, but it can also effect the preferred supply options.<br />9. Nfld has "abundant wind resources with significant potential for wind development"<br />10. "NO quantification of DSM was provided. They mention a number of energy conservation plans and their success, yet no metric of the impact indicated" Navigant says realistic level of DSM , investing 400 M over 20 years (Budden noted this also) for savings of 750 GWH. (To me this seems rather low figure, 10 % , and even Dunderdale 2011 Plan was for 20 % reduction)<br />11. Knight says "It is therefore recommended that DSM be presented as a viable supply option that could meet a measurable portion of the forecasted demand growth"<br />12. That "if aggressive DSM is pursued independently then the forecasted energy demand from MFs facility could be impacted, and the impact on the cost per unit energy of MFs" . This is what Vardy and Feehan is recently saying is bound to happen, even with modest CDM now. But Knight warned Tom Johnson of this, and now bearing fruit, but was ignored.<br />13. Section 4 of the report deals with optimisation; MFs has many issues of optimisation, whereas the Isolated option has not<br />14. "The full spectrum of the Isolated options was not shared with Knight"<br />15. "whether the Isolated Option put forth was indeed the optimum and least cost was NAGGING", and that the Isolted Option may not have undergone the same level of scrunity"<br />16 Wind> "Navigant and Exhibit 61 both indicated a larger amount of wind power can be intergrated in the generation mix. As wind power is competitive versus thermal alternative, it is expected that the presented option may be slightly sub optimal, additional wind power could be intergrated" ( I suggest considerably sub optimal)<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-34751648395916315292018-12-16T11:29:10.957-03:302018-12-16T11:29:10.957-03:30WA @ 00:14:
Still going over the Knight report, b...WA @ 00:14:<br /><br />Still going over the Knight report, but immediate questions are 2 fold:<br />1) did the CA distribute to Nalcor and Government - I separate NLPower from the equation more than most and consider them somewhat of being bystanders as they are primarily distributors of power<br />2) why did CA disregard a report he commissioned when announcing his support of the position that CDM or a mix of new island generation was not a possible competitor to MF<br /><br />I am not necessarily sure that best practice is always better than optimal or vice versa - I can think of situations where either might be better for the people. No matter, we need consider what is reasonable - this is defined in the FLG section 4.13.<br /><br />Clear to me alternate options to MF were 'unreasonably' disqualified - thus non-compliance with section 4(a)ii of the ToR.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81859150125602499692018-12-16T10:56:43.629-03:302018-12-16T10:56:43.629-03:30If this is correct then we have a large "alre...If this is correct then we have a large "already been spent on Muskrat Falls problem" in addition to a current spending problem. The AG should address this in order to present a good picture of the whole problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-26672163012203060822018-12-16T10:50:06.982-03:302018-12-16T10:50:06.982-03:30From above: "Don't bother with Strategic ...From above: "Don't bother with Strategic Planning docs and propaganda. Tell us the facts please."<br /><br />Facts: Verbal (not in writing) moratorium on heat pumps and hot water based heating systems, actively converting oil heated buildings to electric baseboard. Some funding available from the federal government to reduce CO2 -- this will be used to reduce CO2 (say getting rid of oil furnaces) AND satisfy the desire to increase the electrical load.<br /><br />On the ground, everything is still very much trying to retroactively justify Muskrat Falls and consume any external funding that might be available from things like the low carbon energy fund.<br /><br />Natural Resources is still very much in control of any low carbon initiatives. Natural Resources = Nalcor = business interests. NL Power is in the business of selling electricity -- so they aren't motivated to reduce demand for electricity.<br /><br />I supposed that if we wanted to do our part to reduce global CO2, we could shut down our offshore production and use that as our CO2 sequestration contribution to the world. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11737048105399027142018-12-16T09:55:04.308-03:302018-12-16T09:55:04.308-03:30Winston, if what you guys are saying about the Kni...Winston, if what you guys are saying about the Knight Report, and it was know and hidden by the consumer advocate, then that is immoral and criminal. That is in the same catagory as the baby sitter molestes the child, the teacher abuses the children in their care and from their position of power, the church abuses those it is meant to serve, and the dog owner abuses the loving creature.The PUB and the consumer advocate attacks the citizens, the very ones they exist to protect. Yes, if the commissioner is looking for the guilty and the most to blame then he has to summonse those who were aware of the Knight Report and especially those who were there to serve our best interest. Don't let the buggers get away scott free. They need their day on the stand, and at least the most visible and harshes public flogging by the public that they were paid to protect, says average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-17586208553754244232018-12-16T09:34:35.025-03:302018-12-16T09:34:35.025-03:30Anon @ 17:29
You neglected to mention the masterm...Anon @ 17:29<br /><br />You neglected to mention the mastermind of "the biggest mistake and attempted coverup" in our history--DANNY WILLIAMS!!!!<br /><br />Also while watching the interview with EDMUND MARTIN on NTV, I almost lost my supper. The man is indeed repugnant.<br />Not one of the brave media even alluded to ask him how he thought the NL public was going to pay for his ineptitude and gross incompetance in allowing the MF boongoggle cost to get anywhere near what it now is (and counting)---Good for NL??? What a farcical statement to make! He and DW must be drinking from the same koolaid bottle.Waynenoreply@blogger.com