tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post2683549010649810571..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: PIXIE DUST SHOWERS SPRING ELECTION Des Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-11302027365263210632019-04-25T10:05:27.274-02:302019-04-25T10:05:27.274-02:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-46607500061471553642019-04-25T10:00:32.595-02:302019-04-25T10:00:32.595-02:30Better than Alberta sludge perhaps. When explorati...Better than Alberta sludge perhaps. When exploration in deep water is considered it is only marginally better than the worst. <br /><br />Have you chosen to ignore my suggested reading Winston??<br /><br />You have an exalted opinion of engineers no matter how dull and unethical they are. Most have lost any notion of the warning that iron ring brings to the profession. Look what the have done at MF! They have zero ethics led by an incompetent Gil.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-43198551114348381292019-04-25T09:53:54.289-02:302019-04-25T09:53:54.289-02:30Rand would say the Emperor knows best and would ap...Rand would say the Emperor knows best and would approve of the orgy of greed and corruption now underway at MF.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-61292439662790696882019-04-25T09:43:24.071-02:302019-04-25T09:43:24.071-02:30He is my hero for publishing the truth about the f...He is my hero for publishing the truth about the fraud of NL confederation.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-78736816090972231662019-04-25T00:22:33.521-02:302019-04-25T00:22:33.521-02:30Interesting to hear Ches Crosbie say we have "...Interesting to hear Ches Crosbie say we have "ethical oil" offshore, his contribution for Earth Day. That clinched my decision not to vote for the PCs, nor can I vote for the Ball Liberals. And there is no Green Party here?<br /> Our sweet crude is 30 % less GHG, maybe so. With promises by politician for 30 years to reduce GHSs, but instead they are increasing, now at an accelerating rate, is our oil really ethical?<br /> How would that get determined under the Honesty Act Ches proposes? I suppose the oil here is less dirty and less polluting per barrel than some others, but is it proper to promote more production and use because the oil is ethical? Hummmmmmmm?<br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-39444277408623216662019-04-25T00:04:27.908-02:302019-04-25T00:04:27.908-02:30Maybe that's why I opted for URTP instead of R...Maybe that's why I opted for URTP instead of ROTP military training plan at MUN, I wasn't assured my technical skills would be used as I had hoped, if signing for 5 years with the military. So after 2 summers with the URTP opted for Churchill Falls construction, and ended a potential military career. Then later, working on the island grid expansion.....interesting projects, and too for the good of the public. <br /> Yes, Robert, feduciary duty of engineers can and often do exceed technical expertise. For lowest cost and reliable power, these go hand in hand.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-21138738681930814192019-04-24T23:41:39.557-02:302019-04-24T23:41:39.557-02:30 At present the reliability and affordability of M... At present the reliability and affordability of MFs power is a key question, and what options, and costs for backup for the Avalon.<br /> To suggest MFs would prove, in the long run, to have economic value like Bay De Espoir was part of selling Mfs to the public.<br />So is this a PR lecture? A Ball/Nalcor PR lecture?<br />Winston Adams<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-50370365888126142132019-04-24T23:21:47.885-02:302019-04-24T23:21:47.885-02:30and you won't deny that Greg Malone is your da...and you won't deny that Greg Malone is your daddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-48583603037926082332019-04-24T22:40:47.372-02:302019-04-24T22:40:47.372-02:30Anonymous24 April 2019 at 22:21 your fever has led...Anonymous24 April 2019 at 22:21 your fever has led to delirium. Get treatment as soon as possible.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-78558500057357796952019-04-24T22:21:15.512-02:302019-04-24T22:21:15.512-02:30Terry-Greg-Bruno. the unholy trinity - I think the...Terry-Greg-Bruno. the unholy trinity - I think they're all one and the same, Greg Malone, and are paid apologists for Circular RoadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-91094920486108671162019-04-24T20:17:48.763-02:302019-04-24T20:17:48.763-02:30Tomorrow night for those interested, this presenta...Tomorrow night for those interested, this presentation tomorrow night is obviously about Bay D'Espoir but maybe a few of you would be interested to go and quiz the new Hydro President on more pressing issues.<br /><br />Copied below are the key bits from the MUN webpage:<br /><br />Speaking of Engineering Public Lectures<br /><br />April 25, 2019 at 7 p.m. in EN2006 in the S.J. Carew (Engineering) Building, Memorial University's St. John's campus.<br /><br />Title: How a hydro plant in rural Newfoundland has provided reliable electricity for the island of Newfoundland for over 50 years.<br /><br />Speaker: Jennifer Williams, president, Newfoundland and Labrador Hydro<br /><br />Free parking in lot 60 (Second floor of Earth Sciences Garage). Admission is free. All are welcome.<br /><br />https://www.mun.ca/engineering/community/programs/lectures/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-82905036029924498442019-04-24T19:55:00.821-02:302019-04-24T19:55:00.821-02:30Robert @ 19:05:
Suggest you check the list of tho...Robert @ 19:05:<br /><br />Suggest you check the list of those on the PMT - alot less qualified Engineers worked at MF than you think, and it boiled my blood when technicians and others started calling themselves engineers. <br /><br />But you are right - there is a duty. The questions is if the client is told of the issues how far does that duty go - does the Engineer have to walk away or make the best effort for the client? I haven't seen anything to suggest that the client (ie government in the case of MF) didn't know what the risks were - and most importantly did the client care or bother to reassess when advised of the risk (the answer is no).<br /><br />I am sure that if the government had a smoking gun (ie meeting minutes or notes) that could sink someone by proving the elected persons really didn't know what was going to happen that we would have seen it at the inquiry - the fact that there are no notes, minutes etc tells me those involved knew and said 'to hell with it - lets do it' and there was nothing stopping the train.<br /><br /><br />I am not absolving anyone, but if we all stay naive to what happened it will repeat over and over.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-20844247578131484092019-04-24T19:05:44.668-02:302019-04-24T19:05:44.668-02:30PENG2; Professional Engineers, acting as Cost Engi...PENG2; Professional Engineers, acting as Cost Engineers, Project Managers, Construction Managers, Contract Administrators, and such have a feduciary duty to manage projects, with Value Engineering ethic, with far more narrow scope than "Technical Issues". Shame.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-83753158756342826952019-04-24T17:32:08.920-02:302019-04-24T17:32:08.920-02:30AJ @ 16:34:
And that is one example - but the bigg...AJ @ 16:34:<br />And that is one example - but the bigger issue to to our goverance problem is why do we continually do this to ourselves? The list of similar fails is long - the MHA spending scandal, Capt Turbot etc.<br /><br />To my mind, until we accept we are no the center of the universe nothing will change.<br /><br />Robert @ 17:01:<br />I don't disagree, but the public gave a resounding support for MF and it is the job of the Engineer to apply technical knowledge. I understand a core ethic is to practice for the good of the public - but the public wanted MF, so does it also become the job of the Engineer to be a babysitter?<br />I am not so sure it is my job to argue with a client if there isn't a technical issue provide the client understands the risks.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-57087710280443523162019-04-24T17:01:29.038-02:302019-04-24T17:01:29.038-02:30There is no redemption to lazy, inept unprofession...There is no redemption to lazy, inept unprofessional Engineers, acting as construction managers, and contract administrators, for their remunerated time sheets, knowing that they have not earned their pay, having not produced added value, under direction of the known corrupt leaders, at the expense of their fellow citizens, etc.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-92013887125500713632019-04-24T16:34:44.584-02:302019-04-24T16:34:44.584-02:30Peng2, I keep telling you why, as well as others. ...Peng2, I keep telling you why, as well as others. We had a Missiah that people believed that he not only took the oil from the ground, but put it there in the beginning, and of course he did neither. Hebron was his only real project. He went to Ottawa and single handelley wrestled the PM to the ground and got the 2$B from his back pocket. He leaps over tall building with a single bound. He hauls down flags at will, or several flags. He names his successor, and still pulls the strings of guys like FC, until he screams mercy, I can't do it, as others stand aside in bewilderment, then given the word to go ahead. He makes us a have province, and threatens to make us an energy wharehouse. He can do no wrong, and it takes the people a long time to get over that, says Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-16944800895508459872019-04-24T16:03:36.447-02:302019-04-24T16:03:36.447-02:30WA @ 15:50:
The answer is simple - we wanted to b...WA @ 15:50:<br /><br />The answer is simple - we wanted to believe the energy warehouse concept.<br /><br />MF was poorly conceived from a policy perspective - there is no doubt about that. Why much of the engineering and economics work that was completed in the 1970s - 2010 period was completely ignored and we got this iteration, I cant understand.<br /><br />No doubt there should have been more opposition - but there was significant opposition that was ignore by the masses pre 2011, even in the 2011 General Election that the PCs ran on a MF platforms over 56% of the popular vote agreed with MF. It was only 2 yrs ago that MF lost support of the general public - I cant understand the public on NL, I really cant.<br /><br />However our history does show our failings, even if most don't want to accept them. MF is 1 example a bad deal and while the UC which is actually a good deal for NL is spoken as us being raped by the establishment - I think speaks of the mentality of NLers as a whole.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-31976234358907916042019-04-24T15:50:01.412-02:302019-04-24T15:50:01.412-02:30As to engineering, it now over til it's over: ...As to engineering, it now over til it's over: commissioning, reliability, costs yet for back up on the Avalon, North Spur, will even MFs operate, operating costs exceed may exceed revenue etc. <br /> But your repeated points that we elect most all incompetent politicians is little disputed, even ones that commits crimes are re-elected, and it reflects back to the voters to elect the worse, that is a long tradition. Anyone who voted for MFs should never get re-elected. <br /> Your point too as to businessmen(and women)....BOT and others all on the MGs bandwagon leading up to sanction, and only now recently the the Independent Small Business Ass, filing with the PUB with concern over power rates..........where were they before sanction.<br />Winston<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-48098249456604259962019-04-24T15:42:08.213-02:302019-04-24T15:42:08.213-02:30Terry @ 15:33:
And who is responsible for the fac...Terry @ 15:33:<br /><br />And who is responsible for the fact that PL is still in the HoA and SK was re-elected in 2015 and only resigned last year to take a position with Mount Pearl?<br /><br />Last time I checked, voters put both these pieces of work into the HoA.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-39203684612817495552019-04-24T15:33:11.709-02:302019-04-24T15:33:11.709-02:30Yes I just saw it, a paid apologist for the govern...Yes I just saw it, a paid apologist for the government and Nalcor. He is no different than Steve Kent and Paul Lane who were paid to click online polls when KD was premier. As you suggest Bruno it’s best to ignore him. <br />Thanks for shining a light on him and his benefactors.<br />Cheers<br />TerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55861094097444373792019-04-24T15:02:14.443-02:302019-04-24T15:02:14.443-02:30WA @ 14:45:
I agree - though when I look over whe...WA @ 14:45:<br /><br />I agree - though when I look over where the fault lies, I am not ready to lay much at the feet of Engineers yet. Provided the issues were noted to the Owner, nothing unethical with an owner making a bad decision - and many think the public own government/Nalcor, but this is wrong since by voting we trnasfer our decision making ability to politicians (unless we vote them out in the next election, which we didnt).<br /><br />DW et al wanted MF, sold the public on it and the Engineers were given direction to execute - I see more evidence of business men following policy rather than professionals being able to dictate the course. Even if we look at the line routing - all that had to happen was follow the TLH and there was geotechnical info available.<br /><br />If political egos hadn't gotten involved, NL would have gone the course of the Grimes/HQ deal of 2001 - and this probably looks a lot better now.<br /><br />PENG2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-90187709410854306362019-04-24T14:45:04.481-02:302019-04-24T14:45:04.481-02:30PENG2: Recall that DW said you have to gamble as t...PENG2: Recall that DW said you have to gamble as to MFs :roll the dice! As in investor you know the difference between gambling and investing.<br /> As to CFs and MFs, Mfs was DW's gamble with public money and we lost.<br /> CFs.......was not no much of a gamble as an investment for HQ.<br /> Well, planned, engineered and executed. Considerable research as to 765 kv for long distance and lower transmission losses.<br /> With the Inquiry evidence, we see more and more of the superior engineering all along the way for HQ as to Nalcor, such that it is probably wrong to say that CF was a gamble.<br /> That much of MFs planning, design,and construction went so wrong, reinforces my suggestion that MFs is an engineering failure even more than a political failure. Though the political failure seems to have happened first, likely the oil/gas/cable engineers, not experienced hydro engineers, held sway to DW's thinkng. But still: they were engineers. <br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-38263279178009783362019-04-24T14:22:33.491-02:302019-04-24T14:22:33.491-02:30Terry did you see the explosion of verbal diarrhea...Terry did you see the explosion of verbal diarrhea when we hit the nail on the head. He won't deny Nalcor is his daddy! Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-86723935700790687102019-04-24T13:53:40.213-02:302019-04-24T13:53:40.213-02:30This was a letter to the Editor in The Telegram in...This was a letter to the Editor in The Telegram in June 2011, before both MF sanction and the FLG. It is pretty appropriate to the discussion:<br /><br />[start]<br />The Telegram’s editorial of June 1, “Sound advice,” quotes Premier Kathy Dunderdale as follows: “Now, Mr. Speaker, my own personal view is if anybody goes to represent the people of this province then they should have the blessings of the people of this province.”<br /><br />Well then, using your own words, Premier Dunderdale, how can you lead this province and “represent the people” on this multi-billion dollar, debt-infested, high-cost Muskrat Falls project — without having “the blessings of the people”? Neither the project itself, nor your anointment through an undemocratic fumbling with the constitution of the Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador, has “the blessings of the people.”<br /><br />Accordingly, if you truly believe that your leadership must have “the blessing of the people,” then you can only “represent the people” on Muskrat Falls after the election.<br /><br />Let’s see what the people think before you put us into billions more in debt, dramatically increase the power bills of Newfoundland and Labrador consumers — all while giving our business competitors and the people of Nova Scotia Muskrat Falls power for free.<br />[end]<br /><br /><br />The people did vote for KD (and in effect MF) et al in fall 2011.<br /><br />An interesting document to review is 14-MC-2012-02-27, it outline just what the public were say around the time of the election - the public knew MF was an election issue, that MF was bad but they still voted for MF.<br /><br />Here is a link to the document as it was presented to the PUB in Feb 2012, it is a worthwhile read for those with poor memories:<br />http://www.pub.nf.ca/applications/MuskratFalls2011/files/comments/14-MC-2012-02-27.pdf<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55070187407094243732019-04-24T13:42:21.924-02:302019-04-24T13:42:21.924-02:30WA / Ex:
Id say politics on the part of Crosbie -...WA / Ex:<br /><br />Id say politics on the part of Crosbie - and a very weak argument at best. I haven't read the term that suggests this, but normally fees/taxes are defined upfront in a long term deal - I'd say this would do more to damage NL/Que relations than good. NLers need to accept that the UC deal isn't a bad deal - we just didn't buy the lottery ticket and Que did(and they won the lotto), for MF we did buy the lottery ticket and lost.<br /><br />This is starting to sound more like an echo of 'until the cows come home' every day. <br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com