tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post4316554938278235646..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: PUB REJECTS ROLE FOR COALITION IN RATE MITIGATION ISSUEDes Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-25431366925912071542019-04-15T08:01:05.671-02:302019-04-15T08:01:05.671-02:30What was the comment by the blog adm. Must have mi...What was the comment by the blog adm. Must have missed it says average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-85562346922365163052019-04-14T20:50:18.657-02:302019-04-14T20:50:18.657-02:30DOES EVERYONE SEE THE DOUBLE IRONY IN THIS REJECTI...DOES EVERYONE SEE THE DOUBLE IRONY IN THIS REJECTION?? <br />I am 100% convinced that if the PUB were allowed to complete their review of the MF Project it would have never gone ahead and we would not be in the mess we are in now. As a result, we have a huge addition to our provincial debt and huge cost for rate mitigation.<br />And now this Government goes to the PUB for help to come up with some sort of miracle recommendations. WOW! Can the PUB print money, I wonder? <br />And at least 2 years leading up to the sanctioning of the MF Project; Dave, Ron and Des were trying to tell everyone this project was not needed and to slow down. Did Nalcor or the Provincial Government listen? NO, these guys were vilified by Nalcor and the Provincial Government and almost run out of town. <br />Now this same group (of volunteers) has asked the PUB to help out with the recommendations for the rate mitigation process. And what has the PUB said, "thanks, but no thanks" <br />We are learning from the Muskrat Falls Inquiry our Government and Nalcor processes are broken and out of control. And here again is a clear example, they do not want people to be involved who may have a different view. <br />We will NEVER learn. Shame on us all. <br />Agent #13<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-24431427520943669502019-04-14T20:35:03.832-02:302019-04-14T20:35:03.832-02:30This comment has been removed by the author.Des Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-23902264681351216912019-04-14T20:01:52.165-02:302019-04-14T20:01:52.165-02:30Hold the presses!
Premier Ball is going to save us...Hold the presses!<br />Premier Ball is going to save us tomorrow!<br />That is what the press release says <br /><br />Wow! I may have take back all the doubt. Tor Fosnaeshttp://mobilewords.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-81207094409379885652019-04-14T17:02:51.152-02:302019-04-14T17:02:51.152-02:30Isn't it ironic, that in dealing with the Fede...Isn't it ironic, that in dealing with the Federal government on offshore oil under the AA, NL is the principle or primirary benificier of the resource, as if it were located on land. And I guess if you were interpreting the Nalcor - NSPI agreement, and in the event of power shortage from muskrat, NSPI would become the principle or priminary benificer, or words to that effect. Is that a fair comparison, ask average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-18470047827783042752019-04-14T16:02:08.328-02:302019-04-14T16:02:08.328-02:30In the interest in starting a discussion, here are...In the interest in starting a discussion, here are a couple clauses from article 3.6 of the 2015 Nalcor-Emera Energy Supply Agreement (noting that there is also a 2014 amending agreement and other previous agreements):<br /><br />(e)<br />in the absence of an agreement between Nalcor and NSPI pursuant to Section 3.6(b), the equivalency of economic value for the purposes of Section 3.6(d) shall be calculated by NSPI by comparing (i) the economic value that would have been obtained by it from the postponed Energy, had it not been postponed, with (ii) the economic value actually obtained by it from the Redeliverable Energy that is subsequently delivered by Nalcor. NSPI shall calculate the economic value of (i), above, by multiplying the quantities of Energy in respect of which delivery was postponed by Nalcor by the Incremental Cost Rate associated with such postponed Energy. NSPI shall calculate the economic value of (ii), above, by multiplying the quantities of applicable Redeliverable Energy actually delivered by Nalcor by the Incremental Cost Rate associated with such delivered Energy. Any Dispute regarding the application of this Section 3.6(e) or Section 3.6(g) will constitute a Specified Dispute to be determined pursuant to Section 6 of the Dispute Resolution Procedure;<br /><br />(f)<br />The delivery of Redeliverable Energy, once Scheduled, may not be further postponed other than in accordance with Section 3.6(g);<br /><br />(g)<br />Nalcor’s obligation to Schedule and deliver Redeliverable Energy may be postponed to the extent that Nalcor is unable to perform such obligations due to a Forgivable Event, provided, however, that Nalcor shall not be entitled to postpone the Scheduling and delivery of Redeliverable Energy beyond the date that is 365 days following the applicable Original Date of Delivery; and<br /><br /><br />The agreements are easy to find online – but I find it harder to determine an out for NL.<br /><br />PENG2<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-689753037102184262019-04-14T15:32:37.036-02:302019-04-14T15:32:37.036-02:30Today we remember Battle at Monchy;
https://en.wi...Today we remember Battle at Monchy;<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monchy-le-Preux_(Newfoundland)_Memorial<br /><br />Lost our uncle, Aubrey George Holmes, to the "cause". Called up in 1916, aged 21, Lewis Gunner with the Regiment.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-43638653275961146242019-04-14T15:27:29.347-02:302019-04-14T15:27:29.347-02:30The best advice I give is; Don't give any part...The best advice I give is; Don't give any party majority control. It is the main problem we have in our Parliamentary Democracy. A constituent Assembly, Coalition, Proportional Rep. form would be more accountable to the People.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-80155127360027602732019-04-14T15:13:09.880-02:302019-04-14T15:13:09.880-02:30PF @ 13:19:
I don't and wont get into persona...PF @ 13:19:<br /><br />I don't and wont get into personal nonsense - I offer a unbiased assessment opinion or theory. I cannot be political and never 1x advocated 1 party over another, I am not in the business of saying what is popular either.<br /><br />Just what have I said makes you think I am a 'Nalcor operative'? <br /><br />It is the way opinions like yours are broadcast and re-aired by the many that have silenced a lot of dissention such that we now have a governance issue.<br /><br />PENGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-20708077730745972112019-04-14T13:19:53.475-02:302019-04-14T13:19:53.475-02:30PENG2, No, I, PF, did not post as anon@ 12:o8, s...PENG2, No, I, PF, did not post as anon@ 12:o8, seems that anon accepts the reasons stated by me in the past, that you seem to be a Nalcor opertive; you have not denied you are paid by Nalcor or others to infuence opinion this blog. While your opinions are interesting, and technical and political etc, it casts a shodow of bias on your opinions.<br />PF Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-677600080200949182019-04-14T12:46:40.154-02:302019-04-14T12:46:40.154-02:30It's amazing for sure. World class nalcor expe...It's amazing for sure. World class nalcor experts like Eddie feeding us all this hog wash 10 years ago about advantages of being connected to the NA grid, and making gravy on the spot market by selling at opportune times into the US market. And most suckling it back as factual. Other knowledge persons were saying it was baloney talk, and some average joes like myself knew it was all lies and half truths, and they were just dreaming in technicolor. So how could that all happen??? Just to convince the people that muskrat was the best thing since sliced bread, we needed the power, and lots of oil money to pay for it no matter the cost, and all part of becoming an energy wharehouse. Yes, it was oil on the brain syndrome says Joe blow, that's what made me do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-76375711983771966062019-04-14T12:41:00.379-02:302019-04-14T12:41:00.379-02:30Anony @ 12:08 (I assume Pf):
Here is a link to th...Anony @ 12:08 (I assume Pf):<br /><br />Here is a link to the Nalcor-Emera power supply agreement.<br />https://muskratfalls.nalcorenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/NSPML-Energy-Access-Agreement-April-2015-for-web.pdf<br /><br />The article(s) you are looking for are #3(particularly 3.6) and #4 - neither dispute what I have said, maybe you should review.<br /><br />Nothing says NL can indefinitely suspend transfer, and we are expected to return the anticipated economic benefit to NS as if the supply wasn't interrupted.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-66752180535273203932019-04-14T12:16:28.634-02:302019-04-14T12:16:28.634-02:30You follow the truth? Yo say Hitler never won an e...You follow the truth? Yo say Hitler never won an election, he got 30 something %. He burned down the parliamnet, and instituted a coup.<br /> Each election Hitler got higher, to about 30% then about 43, but not a majority, but was in control with restrictions. Folling the fire(which most historian say Hitler did not start) He uses emergency powers and Acts passed to further take full control.<br /> After 2 year after there were referendums where he got about 90 % support, thought not considered free elections.<br /> But ocnsider the unemployment rate was 6 million unemployed in Germany 1932, (the Depression started 1929). By 1936 in Germany the unemploymemt rate was 1 million. Hilter, evil , yes, but was popular. Used essentially legal means, and once dictator , he was the law. Is this true?<br />Winston<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-49335957476427068182019-04-14T12:16:11.195-02:302019-04-14T12:16:11.195-02:30WA @ 11:50:
Emergency repair - I agree that we wo...WA @ 11:50:<br /><br />Emergency repair - I agree that we would likely be able to argue justification in stopping feed to NS. I am thinking more along the event that take week or months to repair - say a dropped line, failed tower etc.<br /><br />Something else I haven't seen anyone mention - are the NL Hydro crews ready to deal with a 2" diameter conductor when the largest currently in use is about 1"? Sure, the principles don't change, but a totally different scenario - and with COD about 1yr out can NL Hydro even get the necessary training, equipment and resources in place? And then we could start a discussion on logistics - just how to get equipment to remote LIL areas when the ferries have trouble?<br /><br />The NL Hydro guys are top notch, I wont take away from that - but the LIL is a different piece of infrastructure none of them have seen before. LTA is similar to existing transmission, so I wouldn't expect the same issue there. Even most of the Valard guys never pulled anything like the HVdc line before - so few sub contractors have done it.<br /><br />And we haven't even digested just how to get the lights on in St John's yet in 'light' of transmission logistics.<br /><br />I said quite a while ago - politically motivated and poorly planned. I see no reason to back off that now - none of these issues just came up in the past 1-2 years, just ignored in 2003-2012.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-88293385558340583282019-04-14T12:08:09.943-02:302019-04-14T12:08:09.943-02:30WA is correct: when LIL is down, deliveries to NS ...WA is correct: when LIL is down, deliveries to NS are suspended. If partial failure of transmission or generation, delivery to NS shall be in proportion to available capacity.<br /><br />PENG2 should've known this for all his expertise spilled here on these contracts but now admits as the job is almost finished he was not clear. It turns out he was in fact wrong, yet he advocated for completion because of his misunderstanding. Maybe Our Stan and Smiley Dwight, a duo to whom he shows much allegiance, were just as confused. Yeah, right. PF says PENG2 is a Nalcor operative and I wouldn't argue with that assessment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-85876663466396121822019-04-14T12:01:47.057-02:302019-04-14T12:01:47.057-02:30And here we have these effing assholes, the TRUTH-...And here we have these effing assholes, the TRUTH-CHALLENGED DWIGHT BALL and the rest of his gang of colossal idiots and vacillating invertebrates such as GERRY BYRNE, and the fremschamen-inducing CHRISTOPHER MITCHELMORE and that useless turncoat opportunist twit GRAHAM LETTO... now here they all TRYING TO BUY OUR VOTE YET AGAIN USING OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS AND DEFICIT LEVIES:<br /><br />https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/liberals-one-week-millions-spending-projects-1.5095573 <br /><br />Are today's NLers going to fall for this bloody scam yet again? Or or they going to vote with their heads instead of the dull-headed apathy of their ancestors?<br /><br />Now people, here's three suggestions that will serve to excise some of the ENTRENCHED ROT in NL politics...<br /><br />1) vote ABI... anyone but the incumbent;<br />2) vote for an NL Alliance or NDP candidate;<br />3) if none of the above is palatable, then spoil your ballot so as to send a message to these cheesy, scum-sucking bastards that they're not worth voting for. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-45689462607437438022019-04-14T11:50:46.480-02:302019-04-14T11:50:46.480-02:30The operation, generation and transmission whether...The operation, generation and transmission whether 50 or 500 MW would not be much different, I suggest, with a little more for 500MW, example routine maintainence if 3 hydro generators being used instead of just one, would add a little. <br /> So with MF , costs ofoperation and to maintain at 107 million a year, a lot of its potential energy needs to be sold to justify it's operation. So the electricification idea of Synapse seems sound, if MFs operates and can be reliable, to use up energy in Nfld, rather than selling more very cheaply to NS.<br /> To support electricification, peak demand in winter must be controlled with significant CDM, allowing electricification at the same time. <br /> Time shifting, I suggest, per the Marginal Cost study, would have much less impact on the grid or for customer saving,(the high cost now are largely baked in, and time shifting should have been stated decades ago)) as compared to CDM with EE.<br />Time shifting the power companies like, because it protects their revenue, and saves little for customers. If you delay your hot water heating by 6 hrs, you need to use that energy 6 hrs later.<br /> I expect incentives for time shifting will be very small.<br /><br />As to losing the DC infeed from Labrador, I understood that this is emergency situation, and flow of power to NS would stop or be reduced, so within the contract terms. I stand to be corrected if not so.<br /> Shortage of power in NS,is likely to occur at the same time,in winter, due to reduction of power from Nfld over the ML. This would require NS bringing on thermal generation units taking considerable delay. They are restricted importing from NB. A link there of about 350MW but typical only 100MW available from NB.<br /> So the fallacy for years now that in an emergency we could import power from NS (a supposedly benefit of connecting to the NA grid).<br />We imported a little this year, as NS still has thermal up and running. With MFs on, their thermal then reduced, if our 800 MW is lost for Labrador, NS loses its power from Nfld, and will need their own reserve, with no spare to send us power. So that deception is still on going, and no one seriously addressing as to the solution.<br /><br /> Further, even if NS could send some power, our own constriction of transmission past Long Hr (Western Avalon) prevents more than 650 MW coming to the eastern Avalon. That 650 MW should be available from the island, and any power addition form NS has nowhere to go, I suggest. <br /> So the case for significant Avalon backup power is "absolute", I suggest, but how much and what means, and will the peak be reduced/?<br /> All these questions were known prior to MFs sanction.<br /> As to the old Holyrood units. MA has stated their useful life is only half used up. True. But repairs get harder and more expensive as things get obsolete. After DarkNl and Liberty advise, much upgrades have been done, and units seems to perform well this winter. <br /> They may decide to keep them operational for another decade, with some, not total replacement by CTs, as lowest cost for back up.<br /> Also bith the 50MW gas turbines at Hardwoods and Stephenville are very old , unreliable and recommended to be decommissioned soon , as not reliable. <br /> Marshall says "how much reliability are customers willing to pay for"? May not now be that simple.<br /> Seems the technical rules for linking to the NA grid now has a say on reliability of our system, not just what Nfld senior citizens customers can afford......another negative of connection to the NA grid, increasing costs here.<br />Winston AdamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-85652585014742142032019-04-14T10:35:29.394-02:302019-04-14T10:35:29.394-02:30So, the LIL goes down in mid winter, Holyrood runn...So, the LIL goes down in mid winter, Holyrood running at maximum (if it still exist ) KD said it was obsolete and on its last legs back in 2013-14, not worth repairing, that's why we had DarkNL, she said that last month on the stand. Did someone advise her of that or just made it up on the stand. And we loose 800MW from the LIL, in mid-winter, what does the legal contract say about continuing power to NS, a good question, Peng2. Hope we never have to find out, or put it to the test says Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-43695993498176427112019-04-14T09:29:34.565-02:302019-04-14T09:29:34.565-02:30WA @ 19:20:
I think we are talking different but ...WA @ 19:20:<br /><br />I think we are talking different but very related issues, perhaps almost inseparable - the difference in reliability or durability.<br /><br />There were talks on salt contamination and several route iterations before what we have now was built - If salt was a big factor, I don't know, but some of the issues affecting line routing were land owners, topography and line optimization.<br /><br />You are correct above in that the Emera feed connects at Granite Canal and heads westerly to Bottom Brook convertor yard - this work was completed in 2016. The question people be impacted by the most: Can we refuse to transmit power to NS if the LIL goes down after COD and we have an overall shortage - this has long been one of my reasons for completion of MF (aside from the other FLG clauses).<br /><br /><br />A question for you: does operation, generation and transmission of say 50MW require the same manpower as 500MW at MF/LIL/LTA?<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-51985597464597425652019-04-14T00:01:34.267-02:302019-04-14T00:01:34.267-02:30Follow the strings upward... to see who's dire...Follow the strings upward... to see who's directing the PUB puppets.<br /><br />This province has no chance for a future without the expulsion of our systemic corruption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-63437024752700250052019-04-13T19:20:44.530-02:302019-04-13T19:20:44.530-02:30PENG2: as to reliability risks for transmission th...PENG2: as to reliability risks for transmission the Great Northern Peninsula:<br /> The four letter word mentioned, is : SALT.<br />Salt spray on insulators causes flashovers, a temporary issue and not a power failure usually, it can reset in a half a second, but in high winds and right conditions, it repeats and shuts down the system. Near the ocean is worse, but many miles inland too in can be a problem.<br /> In 2012 I was amazed to see Nalcor documents say for MFs transmission line, salt was NOT a contaminant. The line was compared to the island 230 kv , where the issue was not that great and infrequent. But why compare it to the 230KV? <br /> Most of our 230KV is inland, not near the coast, so few incidents. The GNP, with 138 and 69 kv has considerable issues with flashovers. I was more amazed to see MHI not pick up on that,and can only assume they were not given data on the GNP operations, or turned a blind eye. <br /> Later I accidently met Danny Dumeresque, and mentioned this to him, and as an intervenor, He put questions to Nalcor, and I believe they eventually acknowledges in an answer that salt was indeed a contaminant(but never said it was a risk).<br /> Little can be done to counteract it, longer insulators wit higher creep, they call it, helps a little, or relocating the line further inland, but mother nature is master. On existing lines outages from flashovers are, I think, about 5-10 times, more frequent and longer time frames on the GNP that other parts of the island. <br /> As to Dark NL, events in 2013 and 2014,.... 2014 the worse. Jan , 2013, I think, Holyrood was down for some 6 hrs and a major outage. I suspected flashovers, but all the talk was improper maintainence, even Liberty. <br /> Eventually I saw posted the sequence of events, and repeated flashovers at the Holyrood station and on the line inland some distance. <br /> Mother nature with some rain washed off the salt later that day and only then would the line stay energized. This at 230KV ( which Nalcor says salt is not a problem for 230kv) <br /> About 2 years passed before finally Liberty stated salt and flashovers triggered that outage in 2013, and it quietly got forgotten, ignoring the risk for the GNP, which I assume Nalcor wanted to keep quiet.<br /> After that AMEC did a study and stated that for Holyrood such an event had a recurrance rate of 1 in 10 years, but could be 2 years in a row.<br /> So, not that bad as to frequency, for Holyrood, but that happened under low wind conditions too. But the GNP is wicked for high winds and salt related flashovers........so that will be, I expect, the most frequent issue.<br /> Stan said this winter there have been no issues so far. I wonder if PENG3 can confirm no flashovers? <br /> A few years ago, I was aware from their studies that the DC line would be stable under one flashover, about half a second, but no study result as to stability for a second one right after the first, if still was stable or if it would shut down the system? <br /> That sanctioning was done without such results (and too for other engineering not done) was very high risk. Much lies ahead as to reliability assurance. <br /> You obviously also see significant issues with geotechnical, and access for repairs on the lines. <br /> To originally say salt was NOT a contaminant......I suggest fraudulent, as it was so obvious for that area from historical records of operation., and deceptive to compare to the 230KV instead of the 138 and 69 kv experience. For DC vs Ac at the same voltage, DC is more prone to flashovers, as the voltage level is constant.<br /> Surely for Hydro protection engineers, the GNP is a worrisome issue. <br /> In 2013, for Holyrood , this was known almost immediately, as events are recorded and analyzed......but 2 years for admittance of the problem. Engineers are silenced? Must go through PR people I assume.<br />Winston <br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-55579278796886688922019-04-13T17:02:52.663-02:302019-04-13T17:02:52.663-02:30Yes Joe you got it right, and as PENG2 says, the g...Yes Joe you got it right, and as PENG2 says, the generators are all AC. <br />At MFs station the power from the MFs generators and also any coming from CF then converts to DC. That is why the DC line to Soldiers Pond is 900 MW, to handle the 824 MFs (now expected to be about 790 max, and about say 110MW from CF for 900). This power needs cooperation for flow from HQ, and the Spur to hold etc.<br /> So that power all comes to the Avalon as DC, where it is converted back to 230 kv. <br /> Half of the Avalon power always came from Holyrood in winter, as only 2 lines fed island power this way, and long delayed on the 3rd line. Even now the new 3 rd 230 kv line comes only as far as Long HR area, Western Avalon, so not much benefit, a constraint to Eastern Avalon, if the DC feed goes down. <br /> If the Avalon needs 1100 in winter, and 800 comes from the DC, then only 300 comes from existing island. If the DC goes down in winter, we get only about 65O from the island power, because of restraint, so short 450 MW : this Peter ALteen of Nfld Power said they are surprised at, NO Surprise. So, for back up, either Holyrood stays operating, or it is decommissioned and gas turbines to replace it, or wait and see how well the Labrador is as to reliability, as to how soon they will address the back up power issue : could even be a mix of adding wind and gas turbines, reducing the restraint, and CDM (to lower the Avalon demand); but backup IS essential, but the amount could depend on the mix of options the choose. <br /> The DC feed is large so if a fault on that feed, a high risk it will take down the entire island power: needing to stop feeding NS, and get as much island power to the Avalon as possible......not less than 3 hrs and maybe much longer, plus rotating outages on the Avalon for a day or more to bring on the old Holyrood thermal...a hell of a situation, as I see it, but gas turbines are much quicker to bring on the system.........so Stan now says " Up to customers how much more money we should spend for RELIABILITY! All these experts, all this money spent, and now to say "Up to customers" Customers never had a say before, and not much say now, with secret technical discussions. Shocking state of affair ahead of us, and make no wonder Ball is in a rush for elections. <br /><br /> So, yes, a separate DC feed to NS from our 230KV low cost reliable island hydro from central and west, Granite Canal area I think, and at NS it is again converted back to AC for their grid.<br /><br /> So our island hydro with about 10 generator sites is reliable and also low cost, about 3 cent power averaged for island hydro, NS gets priority on that unless we get in trouble on the Avalon. We , on the Avalon get a single large MF single source, remote site that will feed the Avalon, and cost maybe 60 cent power (less when blended with island hydro), but also likely not reliable to be able to decommission Holyrood as we will need back up.<br /><br /> I too seem to recall earlier scheme to split the Feed from Labrador near Corner Brook, part going to NS, part to the Avalon, which while MFs was never a good idea, that was a little better, but too risk for NS as to reliability.<br /> Now we on the Avalon get the worse of all,and NS gets the best of all. Ed Martin and Gilbert Bennett and others have shafted us from all sensible rational planning, both as to cost and reliability, no real benefit connected to the NA grid, just added expense and lower reliability for us. School children could not plan a worse or more expensive system.<br /> This madness needs exposure at the Inquiry, as these issues have not been addressed. Making this right is like winning the Lotto, a long shot.<br /> Another rant,and a bit repeating myself, but the picture is taking shape. I see little good from this, and likely even Synapse's best intent and ideas will be ignored. <br />Winston <br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-59621937037228321072019-04-13T15:06:12.461-02:302019-04-13T15:06:12.461-02:30I made a type in my peak demand above - should hav...I made a type in my peak demand above - should have been 1790MW, not material to the point though.<br /><br /><br />AJ @ 14:53:<br /><br />Power generation is AC (MF, UC island hydro etc; though solar, and maybe a few others types would be DC) - UC power is transmitted in AC to MF(or the US of A), there is a convertor yard at MF; the convertor yards are part of the problem now with uncertainty of MF COD. WA would be better than me to do a tech talk, but more or less, you are right.<br /><br />Memory tells me there was an original LC development iteration with convertor yards near Corner Brook, but that's a 15yr old memory now.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-25356333034256804062019-04-13T14:53:59.495-02:302019-04-13T14:53:59.495-02:30So just for the average Joe, what you guys and Pla...So just for the average Joe, what you guys and PlanetNL has written, our cheap reliable AC paid for power is rounded up and sent to the conversation near Deer Lake, where it is converted to DC power and sent to NS, where it is again converted to AC for distribution. MUskrat and or Churchill power comes in on DC lines to the converter station at Soldiers, where it is converted to AC power and distributed around the Avalon. I know very little about converter stations, except they are very expensive to build. And maybe any excess power from Labrador is then transmitted from soldiers via AC line to the DL converter station, where it is converted to DC power to be sent on to NS. Does any of this make any sense technically, converter stations, etc. Should they not have sent the DC power line from Labrador direct to the ML and onwards to NS. That's why I call them, buggers, traitors and treasonist, to send our cheap, reaiable power to NS, and give us the expensive, unrealiable power from the LIL, the muskrat or Labrador power. Does any of this make sense. Will The inquiry deal with any of that what appears to me to be a shamazile for power distribution, ask Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-53163446843093091312019-04-13T13:38:58.350-02:302019-04-13T13:38:58.350-02:30WA @ 12:19:
I will play devils advocate here, but...WA @ 12:19:<br /><br />I will play devils advocate here, but you comments are right.<br /><br />So 72MW addition(I agree with this number), if the Nalcor projection of increased demand of 0.8% annually was an honest estimate - how was Holyrood ever going to be decommissioned?<br /><br />If we roll back and accept the original estimates as data input:<br />1) MF due online in 2017<br />2) actual peak demand of ~1690MW in February 2019 (for better analysis, what was projected in 2010 for 2017?)<br />3) annual growth in peak demand of 0.8%<br /><br />My math tells me that we would have been out of power by 2025-2030 anyway (say about 125MW additional demand from 2017) - despite of MF online and Holyrood being decommissioned and this scenario only being an extra 72MW supply.<br /><br />Holyrood being taken down was never the plan - used as MF hype only.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com