tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post8348426882904313443..comments2023-10-25T07:29:40.789-02:30Comments on UNCLE GNARLEY: NDP LEADER ALISON COFFIN NEXT FINANCE MINISTER?Des Sullivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02566013585647491614noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-66501244816243206502019-06-02T14:40:23.835-02:302019-06-02T14:40:23.835-02:30It will be fun when Ed is back on the stand.It will be fun when Ed is back on the stand.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-78151660419035322572019-05-30T20:05:04.451-02:302019-05-30T20:05:04.451-02:30Kate's replacement was very weak questioning t...Kate's replacement was very weak questioning the Nalcor project manager today. I bet the others with "standing" will be sitting on their assess again for this Nalcor guy at $1550 as day he testified. We now know the price of thirty pieces of silver! Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-68367405366136048462019-05-30T16:00:21.960-02:302019-05-30T16:00:21.960-02:30Orwell would chuckle at "government's off...Orwell would chuckle at "government's office of information management" responsible for discarding the clerk of the executive council's notes.<br /><br />I wonder if the "government's office of information management" used the Fahrenheit 451 method for disposal of the notebooks? <br /><br />It is incredible that now Auditor General Julia Mullaley did not know of the 7 billion cost. I see Ed Martin is squealing like a stuck pig that it is all lies. Is Auditor General Julia Mullaley now credible?? It is all pretty stinky! <br /><br />Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-62996913369200776502019-05-30T13:03:05.579-02:302019-05-30T13:03:05.579-02:30Well, have to call them like you see them. A John ...Well, have to call them like you see them. A John Dean moment yesterday but not the real MacCoy.,Julia came in like a lion and went out like a lamb, happens every year, like march month. She made two points yesterday, very convincing and confidently. That she and govt. did not know of the 6.5 at time of finincial close, was very upset about it, and learned of it much later. The second point was she brought in an external auditor, EY at the extreme opposition by Eddie. So yesterday she was the Julia M. Tiger, but faded overnight to the Mallolay pussy cat. Average Joe. So still 12.7 billion and counting, maybe 13.7B as Budden questioned her this morning, depending how you do the accounting, front end or back end loading in fincincial cost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-49236669277492741532019-05-30T10:47:44.058-02:302019-05-30T10:47:44.058-02:30Ho ho Ho Winston. Seasons greetings!
Troll PENGze...Ho ho Ho Winston. Seasons greetings!<br /><br />Troll PENGzero has a staff to keep up the propaganda. Despite that We, collectively keep him/them honest. Good work Winston. He is best ignored until he goes away.Bruno Marcocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076165212559914463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-42253069265586576922019-05-30T08:22:07.401-02:302019-05-30T08:22:07.401-02:30WA @ 22:49:
In any event, this is manusha for sur...WA @ 22:49:<br /><br />In any event, this is manusha for sure if concentrating on these 3 books. The real issue is the overall lack of documentation (irregardless of if its logs, minutes, draft reports etc) - everything from meetings, to phone calls records etc is being based on someones memory is the real issue.<br /><br />What have we seen to date, 20-30 pages from logs books in total - seems as if minimal documentation was the norm, and that is a problem in governance and accountability? By comparison, these logs books (actually executive note books is what they are called) have about 150 pages - I use 1 every 1-2 months, and buy them by the box (~$10ea, pretty cheap insurance actually).<br /><br />I think LeBlanc was just calling governments bluff - a show of power on his part, Id say he never really expected to find anything but wanted to make a statement.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-54585519468977471552019-05-30T08:09:48.873-02:302019-05-30T08:09:48.873-02:30WA @ 22:49:
The judgement is on her to destroy he...WA @ 22:49:<br /><br />The judgement is on her to destroy her logs or not - the logs are her's not her employers. Now, she should as a minimum have offered the information within her logs in some form of a report(a photo copy would be better) to her employer but what she does after is her professional judgement.<br /><br />Not sure if I would considering the report generated from her logs as transitory, infact I am not sure I agree with the term at all - meeting minutes, logs, notes etc should all have been filed in the project documentation.<br /><br />Not sure if there is any practical difference in destroyed or missing at this point.<br /><br />Not sure if you did a course with Prof Peters or not, but I still have his notes and some of his thoughts on logs etc - subject matter expert on this for sure.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-19104251103560844902019-05-30T07:56:37.825-02:302019-05-30T07:56:37.825-02:30Think the most significant day at the inquiry so f...Think the most significant day at the inquiry so far. The first person that has said they stood up to EM and won. He stomped out of the meeting, the cool and Teflon Eddie, and next day was at the premier's office telling them there would be no external audit. Any audit would be internal, not EY. But guess what, Julia M stood her ground. Yes stood up to Eddie and won. Unheard of before, took a brave and confident lady to do that, especially back then. She stared down the bully and trashed him at his own deciteful game. But her intent was not to bring him down, but to do simply what was right. And she stood almost alone. Seems Davis and Briwne were in the premier's office at that time. Yes, the first dent in the old boys club. So now bring in the cops to find the publics missing documents, not only her black book but all the missing notes. Will the commissioner do the right thing, does he have the authority ask Joe blow.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-10984989393762861692019-05-29T23:26:18.852-02:302019-05-29T23:26:18.852-02:30It appears we have real crooks here destroying or ...It appears we have real crooks here destroying or hiding evidence, as to MFs boondoggle, yet on this same day we hear the innocent land protectors in Labrador were railroaded: hit with civil and criminal offences for the same thing. After 3 years the CROWN, meaning under the authority of Mr Parson's, the Justice minister, who could have stepped in least the administration of justice be in disrepute, but stood aside and let double jeopardy proceed. Against the law this double jeopardy business. A apology required from Justin Trudeau and Parsons and the Premier. Only in Nfld and Lab could this happen. Was there not a single lawyer in Nfld able to expose this sham to the media before now? <br /> Is this incompetence in our justice system? And both these events we see on the same day, The RULE OF LAW they call it. Surely this is noteworthy for Leblanc's report as to this double jeopardy against our First Nation peoples. This in 2019.<br /> So now just the civil matters still before the court. Would the real criminals please stand up?<br /><br />And too at 8 am my wife brings to my attention that Stan Marshall is on VOCM. He speaks about the SOFTWARE. Good thing this running now, to get the bugs out before MFs comes on he says. So we are testing it with CFs power. Last I heard this was software version 17........now he never said the type of bugs we are dealing with. Some bugs are resistant to antibiotics, and can be real buggers. We'll see what happens, by the time Santa comes down the chimney.<br /> <br />An hectic day for Muskrat news. Hard to keep.I don't have staff like PENG2. Is the worst over at the Inquiry or just heating up??<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-62168067193117172262019-05-29T22:49:19.232-02:302019-05-29T22:49:19.232-02:30PENG2; her note books, transitory or not?
I thoug...PENG2; her note books, transitory or not? <br />I thought she said not transitory, but they were govn property, so never took them<br /> you say her property and she should have known better. So incompetent to be auditor general? <br /> Clarify why not much wrong with destroying them? And who destroyed them? Do you think they are actually destroyed , or still just missing? <br /> Who has poor memory, Nina Goudie who she passed them too after discussing with her, who has no memory of that we are told, or Julia who says she remembers discussing and passing to Nina?<br /> So Ralph and Julia praise up Nina saying she is of good character, and would do nothing wrong. Ralph, to me , looked like a cat that swallowed a bird......what bird, says the cat,.. no evidence sure. I'm not buying it. <br /> High drama at lunch time , as the media reports: Leblanc orders Julia and Ralph to do the search and have an answer by 2pm<br /> At 2 pm, no report mentioned, until Smith I think asks what happened, and Leblanc almost as an after thought ........Oh Yes....not found. So, no big deal after all. Yesterday it would effect his report, so a big deal. <br /> But he says at one point at 5 pm him and co-counsel were to meet. What else could it be but discuss call in the cops, as Joe says? Who done it and why? Some person of low IQ handling these important public documents, destroyed them?<br />Yes, Julia an accountant , and from MUN. Any news on Wade Locke? Is he working on GHG reduction policy?<br />Winston Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-77437255388720134912019-05-29T21:33:57.780-02:302019-05-29T21:33:57.780-02:30All rank amateurs,pandering to the emperor.All rank amateurs,pandering to the emperor.TMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01213412865108374357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-49876604844043167822019-05-29T19:13:36.122-02:302019-05-29T19:13:36.122-02:30Only 2 crooks in this MF saga, one Williams and on...Only 2 crooks in this MF saga, one Williams and one Martin. The rest are all pawns. Go figure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-23433251650981722712019-05-29T19:01:46.912-02:302019-05-29T19:01:46.912-02:30JM, I wonder if that is the real JM. I wasn't ...JM, I wonder if that is the real JM. I wasn't following UG at that time, so wasn't really tuned in, but some of you guys may consider it. Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-67002748153015776682019-05-29T18:58:36.902-02:302019-05-29T18:58:36.902-02:30Agree Winston, "bring in the cops", they...Agree Winston, "bring in the cops", they have been called for much less. Even if they don't find the books, it may put "the fear of God" in some of them, that you don't play around with our public documents. And they might just find documents they weren't even looking for, but much more valuable. Joe blow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41261847794380833562019-05-29T18:56:36.138-02:302019-05-29T18:56:36.138-02:30WA @ 18:36:
Honestly, in reality JM 'abandone...WA @ 18:36:<br /><br />Honestly, in reality JM 'abandoned' her logs when she took on a new position, then I would offer that there really isn't much wrong with the government destroying them after the fact. <br /><br />When I consider Professional Liability and Codes of Ethics the onus is on the professional to maintain backup for their work - JM being an accountant(I assume, can you verify?) should have known better, she didn't protect her work or her professional decisions.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-47410569205955968622019-05-29T18:42:36.274-02:302019-05-29T18:42:36.274-02:30https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrad...https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/julia-mullaley-inquiry-muskrat-1.5154122<br />This guy Martin, hang him high, he deserves it!! Bring back public floggings!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-3678678450391883052019-05-29T18:36:35.418-02:302019-05-29T18:36:35.418-02:30Agree PENG2, 6.2 billion was bad, and if the Inqui...Agree PENG2, 6.2 billion was bad, and if the Inquiry did a dive into that, I doubt if more than 2 billion was needed for lowest cost.<br />Also yes, but if not informed by choice, then our culture problem covered it. A matter of weighing, info there, but not sought. Note Liberty constantly faults Nalcor for their culture, and maybe all our power companies, that rotating outages is acceptable only in third world countries, and Nfld. Robert suggest a culture problem: the enemy is us. <br />NTV had Ed Martin, not the usual shine of Teflon Ed.<br />CBC Terry Roberts had good coverage: Julia saying this should have been reassessed before financial closure,and Ed Martin present today at the Inquiry, her's was key testimony.......note his lawyer Harold Smith, asked about the missing note books, and Terry cites the "mystery of the missing books", and video of Julia,and lawyers Fitzgerald , and Ralph on leaving the Beothic building on the trail of the missing Julia note books. This should be a police job? So ........not found......who done it? That is the question. If destroyed, who done it? Is this high crimes and misdemeanors? Is it impeachable? Does it get buried as a footnote in Leblanc's report? <br /> Julia says she wanted it to see if the notes agrees with her memory banks, that she had no knowledge of the cost increase. But what if the notes disagreed with her memory banks? Then the shit hits the fan does it not? Better that the note books not be found? Get out of jail free for everyone, and easy for the Commissioner not to lay blame. Is there conspiracy going on here? What a silly question.<br />WinstonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-46297819144911404382019-05-29T18:01:44.991-02:302019-05-29T18:01:44.991-02:30WA @ 17:30:
Close but not quite.
I maintain ther...WA @ 17:30:<br /><br />Close but not quite.<br /><br />I maintain there was enough info publically available, whether or not the public paid attention is another issue. If the public was not informed, it was by choice.<br /><br />In any event, even if MF only cost $6.2b - it would still be a bad choice, I don't think I ever said anything otherwise.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-13355748160669009382019-05-29T17:43:28.939-02:302019-05-29T17:43:28.939-02:30Pogo would say; I have met the enemy. It is us.Pogo would say; I have met the enemy. It is us.Robert G Holmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356463540446993862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-31072503692999425962019-05-29T17:30:01.021-02:302019-05-29T17:30:01.021-02:30Interesting that we get agreement between Maurice ...Interesting that we get agreement between Maurice and PENG2 that if the electorate was well informed that MFs would not have been sanctioned at 6.2 billion. Also that issues other than costs were at play then and now.<br /> So an uninformed electorate was a major problem. Yet PENG2 seems to have back peddled , as he said that the media coverage and letters to the Telegram were sufficient to inform the majority of the people. I suggested otherwise.<br /> In that PENG2 now seems to admit that the electorate was not well informed, so if not , who was not doing the informing?<br /> These are possibilities:<br />Government<br />Nfld Hydro<br />Nalcor<br />Fortis/Nfld Power<br />MUN<br />Consumer Advocate<br />PUB<br />Feds<br />Emera<br />Consultants seeking contracts and scope creep<br />Other informed residents, other than the naysayers, of MFCCC<br />Church leaders<br />My dog Rover<br />Maybe I have missed some....Yes<br />Board of Trade<br />Nfld contractors<br />Ass. of Small Business<br />Union leaders<br />Industry including Fish plant owners <br />Opposition Parties<br />Nfld Culture problem, so Minister of Culture....the Happy Province, so Don't worry, be happy<br />Heracles being late on his advise <br />PENG2 in the shadows<br />God Almighty should have warned us .....somehow.<br />The devil made us do it<br />Our educators,<br />Our justice system<br />Our democratic system<br />All of the above? <br />Winston Adams<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-4651981230169929452019-05-29T16:50:01.107-02:302019-05-29T16:50:01.107-02:30I would agree, and both your and my posts show tha...I would agree, and both your and my posts show that there were a lot more issues other than just cost that could have (and should have) been able to stop this MF fiasco ---- and why then did the Liberal government issue an inquiry TOR that has focused (perhaps and seemingly, mostly) on "costs"?<br /><br />Tweedledee and Tweedledum.Maurice Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-41266701566922575652019-05-29T16:40:05.520-02:302019-05-29T16:40:05.520-02:30MA @ 16:33:
I agree that a 'well informed'...MA @ 16:33:<br /><br />I agree that a 'well informed' electorate would have balked, problem is NL has no history of the electorate becoming informed. The fact that we still have 7 MHAs that either voted or lobbied for MF in 2011 proves that.<br /><br />Fact is, had the electorate become well informed in 2011, MF wouldn't have been executed - irrespective of the projected costs being $6.2b or $12.7b.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-77357156552188708382019-05-29T16:33:05.776-02:302019-05-29T16:33:05.776-02:30PENG2 ----- "the no matter what" that wa...PENG2 ----- "the no matter what" that was put to the people at sanction was a cost of 6.2 billion, significantly increased island demand, Holyrood operating at capacity in winter (burning 18,000 bbls of oil a day), a sound water management agreement with Quebec, geotechnical design for North Spur stabilization not completed til 2014, oil prices going up to $200+ a barrel, etc., etc, etc. ---- in other words, collusion to misinform the people about the true economic and environmental viability of Muskrat.<br /><br />A well informed electorate would have balked if they had been trusted with the truth.<br /><br /> Maurice Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-79643033859281503162019-05-29T16:06:22.984-02:302019-05-29T16:06:22.984-02:30Joe @ 15:48:
The money at MF isn't that great...Joe @ 15:48:<br /><br />The money at MF isn't that great - either for professionals or tradesman, so your argument of a conflict of interest is a bit off base and weak. Even so, most of the leaders were CFAs - so for them there was really no difference in working in NL at MF or Hebron or in Calgary or Houston.<br /><br />The invoiced day rates for the PMT are available on the Nalcor ATIPPA website (releases #377 and #420), with a current max rate of $2k/day for contracted persons - not great or out of line with other works. <br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5235138415013046381.post-1671363462351826772019-05-29T15:58:58.752-02:302019-05-29T15:58:58.752-02:30[start]
If objective, fair, demand, oil price, and...[start]<br />If objective, fair, demand, oil price, and project cost estimates had originally been prepared ---- then there would have been little or NO COST OVERRUNS.<br />[end]<br /><br />Agreed, no question there - $10b is what the original estimate should have been give or take..<br /><br /><br /><br />[start]<br />There would also have been NO SANCTION of this fiasco.<br />[end]<br /><br />I disagree, MF was a government policy and it was going ahead no matter what. Even today, there is still 35-40% of the public that support MF - so I am not so sure government couldn't have sold the public on a $8b budget.<br /><br />There was a lot of work by the government of the day in legislation, placing the right people in right positions etc to ensure MF was executed. The fact that Nalcor was built and led by private party industry types indicates now in hindsight that they were brought in for a MF/GI development.<br /><br /><br />Id like to believe otherwise, but the public bought the energy warehouse concept and I don't think project costs were a major factor in that to the majority.<br /><br />PENG2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com